What's the deal with Staten Island? (New York, Camden: mortgage, environment, credit)

[nyc0127]

Hello, MattSiggs. I appreciate your response as well. To start off though, if you responded, you should have read my whole post. I didn't ask for you to respond. I doubt you'd take a job without reading it's requirements.

I'll try to cut down on the length of my posts. The first one wasn't 90 for who ever said it. It was in the 50's. The next one was half. This one was half of the last one.

I know kids who do and don't do drugs too. As mead pointed out in all places, non-drug users are relatively small to populations. I didn't hang out with drug-users either. It didn't mean that they weren't in my classes or neighborhoods though. No parent wants bad for their children. However, they can't hold their hand throughout their teenage years.

By all means, I agree that Staten Island Technical High School is an advanced high-school. The school has a low population though. It may be 22nd in the nation, although I heard once in an article that Tottenville High School's baseball was 20th in the country (they'd be lucky if that's what they were in their state which is nothing compared to warm states like California, Texas and Florida). The ones always criticizing in Staten Island though are white (usually Catholic/Christian too). They do their best not to acknowledge that most technical high school's with advanced education are usually completely white, Christian and American-born.
In contrast, it's less of all that (it has many Russian, Middle Eastern and Asian immigrants or children of immigrants and non-Christian whites).

As far as my ''intelligence'' goes, why are you criticizing me? You're telling me about my grammatical skills? What are you an English professor? I know it doesn't look so great that I'm criticizing on Christmas, but you're practically working. Is this what gets you by in life? I'll remember you're tip about ''evolving'' (wink wink). You're right, I am 19. You weren't so quick to say what age you are though.

I'm not perfect. I'm not hear to demonize Staten Island. I'm just simply putting the facts on the table. What ever extra I'm writing is my opinion. I don't expect all of you to absorb it. You should be able to know the facts I'm saying. After the facts I deliver to you, than you should develop what ever opinion it is you have.

Unlike Mead, you have a better argument against me, being that you are questioning my quotes. If you and others prefer, I'll stick away from ''neutral'' or positive comment about Staten Island. I should have directed the better comments to current Staten Islander residents to help them feel like it's completely doomed. For outsiders though, there are just simply much better places (which I'm guessing you agree with).

I'm not here to demonize Staten Island. I know there is good and bad in every place. I want people to know that. The overwhelming majority of things aren't though. If you're from Staten Island, make the best of it. If you aren't, you'd be best not to be involved. It's kind of like the ghetto. It's common knowledge. I'm not sure exactly if you're in love with it or not. Even if outsiders don't like it though, more lean towards the feeling I have. No other suburbs want anything to do with Staten Island (especially residentially).

I lived on Staten Island 15 years, so we both have similar experience. From the way it sounds though, you don't live there anymore. You say it's not a wasteland, yet it has one (relax, that was a joke). I know it's not a ''shantytown'' nor a rich man's place. Within middle-class though, it kind of sucks. If I were wrong, why are you probably not there? Why don't outsiders from similar places come through it's economic advantages? You didn't answer that quote.

I appreciate you're ''blunt'' remark. Our opinions are a little different as far as sanitation goes. As far as college goes, I agree. We both aren't fools though. Just because college isn't meant for you doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a shot. New York City is a highly competitive place that will only continue to get more educated and expensive. Not everyone can handle college, but it's safe to say that you need a skill to survive.

That can mean working in sales, construction or owning you're own business. What ever it takes. As I pointed out before, it's simple supply and demand. This country's backbone is on capitalism. The people who join sanitation aren't necessarily the worst. It's the underutilization that is killing what ever possible potential they ever had. A cop requires a particular niche. For when Fireman are utilized, they need courage. Transit workers need to be able to operate a bus. What does sanitation require that a janitor doesn't?

Janitors skills aren't necessarily always utilized, but are paid what they deserve. Sanitation requires a decent worker who can drive a truck every few days. You didn't tell me why a private corporation couldn't do that? You know they'd get a lower salary, would be able to get away with less and be better utilized.

Being that cops and fireman require some sort of niche is understandable. People are made to do that. However, no one is made to work for ''civil service''. That isn't normal. No child is support to have the dream of ''working for the city''. Explain to me how that supports that capitalist American vision that exists at such elevated capacity in Manhattan.

There is no doubt why these people would want these jobs. I'm saying the system shouldn't provide it as the capacity it does. Getting fired from the city is nearly impossible because no one wants to make a scene. No one was designed to work for the civil service system as a broad category. You could narrow it down to the word ''system.'' If you did, what would be the difference between working as a normal government employee in the communist nation Cuba (who's dollar is valued similar to our declining one)?

No one expects a 20 year old kid to know what he wants to do for a living. Usually, they don't realize until they're older. They don't always do what they like. They don't have a choice but to develop skills and become independent. The parents attempt to ''spoil'' their children, so why would there children ever look down on how they grew up? They're providing their children with a vision they could never have in the future with the expensive future they'll endure. Real parents in Staten Island who realize everything I said in these last couple posts have to try even harder to help inspire their children to integrate into the real world.

To the educated in Staten Islanders who have confidence and want to stay in the area usually choose Monmouth county. I don't blame them. Even if you had the same economic situation in Monmouth county living in mediocrity, you'd be a better individual around better people there.

As far as you're last little insult goes, you were the one who contradicted yourself there. You don't like how people call others ''stupid or idiotic'', yet you craftily and indirectly called me one (Pokemon, come on?). Are you really any better?

[nyc0127]

First off mead, read my second post. I'm taking it you aren't fond of litegators. I said Staten Islanders have a habit of comparing themselves to Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx when ever they are criticized. I said it's their skapegoat. Do not match Staten Island's criteria to the other boroughs. I know that Staten Island has a higher per capita income than those three boroughs.

The reason is because it's a suburb, inadvertently explaining why it's more streamline. It's not New York metro area streamline though. Why don't you get me a map of Nassau County's per capita income? It's only in the city by a ''technicality''. Compare them to the places they explode out to. See where they rank. I know for a fact that You aren't from Staten Island, so you don't exactly know this.

There are several reasons for why this is. You have to understand how each reason connects to the next. We both know that in places with higher population density and immigration, poverty is often associated with this. Throughout most of the city this is true. In Latin American neighborhoods that are highly populated immigrants from the Dominican Republic.

Most people who older than the age when most people attend college. The level of education in most Latin American countries are in low compared to the U.S. The less education, the less money. Because there dollar is worth much less than ours, what ever bank accounts become minimal. Those countries have higher fertility rates than the U.S. (and definitely American-born New Yorkers). Most importantly, if a woman has three to five children, how can she develop a career? The culture of many of those countries don't demand women to work as hard as men because it's not as economically competitive.

A cab driver or construction worker might be able to pull in 50 thousand a year. An American born male in Staten Island might do that too. In Staten Island though, the male's wife might make 35 thousand. The Bronx is more expensive than Staten Island. The Americans have less children so there are less mouths to feed. The Americans often don't get married making them financial burden less. If they do get married, they wait much longer as well.

Another thing, I don't mean to sound ''mean'', but is above 96th street really even Manhattan? The lucrativity isn't there. Most of the work isn't there. The crime rates go up. It's like a slightly more expensive extension of a lower-middle class version of the Bronx.

Staten Island always represents awkward paradoxes. Honestly, it's difficult to believe that barely anything existed in such an environmentally destroyed island now. There is still open space left on Staten Island. There are loads of state protected land. I wouldn't be surprised in a few decades if contractors built homes on the dump.

Most of Middlesex county was built up or populated before the 60's. The same thing in most of the gateway region counties. Brooklyn and the Queens 57 years ago had similar populations. There was no room to grow. Staten Island was like one weird place within a wealthy city with a huge pocket of open land.

When there are open pockets of land and huge bulks of populations move in from more than 15 or 20 minutes at fast paces, only three things usually happen. Most of the time, it's either going to be elderly, upper-middle class or lower-middle class. Elderly communities can vary economically everywhere.

That all depends on the quality of the people. If it's under 30, if they have educational inspiration, it likely will turn out wealthy. California, Monmouth County, south Florida and Levittown are great examples for this. Places where people move simply just for the price of a house, with little educational backbone, tend to end up lower-middle class. Examples of this are the Poconos, parts of central Florida and Delaware.

You never want the contractors to have more power than the state. All they want is to make money. So many big communities go up in Delaware and Florida, yet few want to move there. If New Jersey had a weak state-government, Sussex, Warren and Hunterdon county would have destroyed skies just like Essex and Passaic by now. There would be no more pine barrens in Burlington county. You pay for what get in good suburbs, because the demand is always high. Staten Island's real estate market survives primarily due to it's geographic lucrativity.

The main thing out of this post though you should understand is not to compare Staten Island's economic situation to other boroughs. Whether good or bad, Staten Island is an awkward paradox. The culture it has is slowly changing. I believe Staten Island has hope. I just believe it's status quo is horrible. I also believe that it's pointing in the wrong direction because so much of it's talent leaves.

Lastly, regarding Giuliani, I don't agree with that all the way. It's not like the national media hasn't thoroughly covered each major candidates detail. They got to all the dirty details on Giuliani. It's almost common knowledge that he's of Italian background because of his last name. That doesn't mean they won't vote for him though. It isn't talked about. Go to a reputable search engine (like Google) and type in anything regarding Giuliani's heritage hurting him and few web-sites come up.

He is catholic by title (nothing more). If it were up to catholic, he wouldn't be. He's been divorced. He openly admitting to cheating. He is pro-choice, supports stem-cell research, marched in gay parades (although played the game of politics now by not supporting gay marriage) and does everything that goes against the Catholic church. John Kerry is a catholic, and he got the nomination. The only state Giuliani is doing at least average in the beginning, is South Carolina, a conservative state with few catholics.

Michael Dukakis, who is of Greek heritage didn't have all that much of an ''impact'' on his chances. The potential of it wasn't even all that acknowledged. The only presidential candidate who is known for representing any diversity corresponding to their time was John F. Kennedy. We've never had a Greek-Orthodox president, nor one of mediterranean background. Now, there are presidential candidates who represent diversity in both parties that would overshadow Giuliani being ''different'' (Obama,Clinton,Romney and if you believe Richardson had a chance.)

[nyc0127]

Through all my posts, I haven't actually discussed where I'd suggest someone to move. Disregarding Staten Island and assuming you can't afford to live in Manhattan, there are still many other decent places.

If you're young and have good potential, I'd suggest Queens. Queens is the most balanced borough in New York City. They have around 2 1/2 million people. As I said before, New York City isn't as ''dangerous'' as it's always made out to be. Queens is reprentative of this.

Queens, similar to Manhattan, represents a normal proportion of different ethnicities, religions and economic situations throughout the borough. It has good geography. Assuming you're middle-class, you'll pay more for what you can get in Brooklyn. The reason why is because more neighborhoods are run down, and the rich are richer (especially in Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights and downtwon Brooklyn).

Assuming you have two children and you are interested in buying what a mediocre home (especially split end), don't believe what any census report or article that tells you what ''middle class'' is. The elderly doesn't accumulate the salaries as the middle-aged. Immigrants who are new to the country don't always have the same educational equivalence.

The dirt poor is not always a good reprenstative of per capita incomes either. Poverty rates are in the same neighborhood as what they are in the country. In America, it's 20K. In NYC, it's 32K. That is for a family of four. That's 10 bucks an hour in America for 40 hours a week. That's 16 in New York. If you can't make it that far there is a real problem. Unless you are very disabled, anyone could get there.

You need 140K to 160K to be legitimate middle class in Queens. That can mean a nurse and a businessman. Or any variation that can accumulate this. Poverty is at lower capacity in Queens. Queens has many Asian immigrants who come with educational aspirations because the backbones are in the countries they're moving from making it easier for them to make more money.

Queens is also the only place in America that has a population over 70,000 where African-Americans in a year made more than whites. It shows that people there are streamline and for the most part have equal oppurtunity. America should aim to move towards the equality that exists in Queens, New York. If you're young, it's a good place. I'd get in before it gets more expensive than Brooklyn.

If you're older, your interests may vary. Too many older people ditch the New York area which I really don't understand. If you have had that Florida retirement dream and you got the money, it's a good place. Florida is horrible for ''semi-retirement'' unless you're loaded or the job you do doesn't really matter where you live (i.e. internet businesses, truck drivers).

If you like the suburbs or a ''slower-pace'', New Jersey probably isn't for you. New Jersey is over-expensive. If you got a lot of money it's a good place. Upstate New York isn't a bad place to invest. Long Island and Connecticut are great places to live to. I'd stay away from those pathetic ad's in New York paper's about the Pocono's, because it's likely the same house you live in will get knocked down within a couple decades. Stay away from Monroe county.

If you do enter Pennsylvania, don't plan on commuting but want to be near New York City, Bucks county is a good spot. Personally, I like Mercer, Burlington and Camden county which is all not that far from New York. Although not for work (people from Philly actually commute to Jersey a lot) Mercer county doesn't lean towards Philly, in every aspect it relates more to Philly than New York. Burlington county and even parts of Monmouth get limited New York news and depend on comcast which favor Philly.

These spots are decent. It cost a lot. You know what you're getting though. If you can, stay away from the torchering commute to Manhattan. Windy ferries, NJ Transit and traffic is unbarable. Through all, if you got the dough and mentality, Queens is the spot.

[samyn on the green]

That NYC person posted some racism indeed, by the truckload . It looks like the long winded poster is a Jew and has a anti-working class white bias. I wonder what the mods would do if someone made a long winded post about blacks like this? I'm all for everyones right to vent so I hope the mods leave all 78 paragraphs ups. At least his hate is fully rationalized and intelligently expressed.

Originally Posted by mead

As I stated in my title, "Yes Virginia, there is Anti-White Prejudice in New York City..."

This HUGE post, possibly the longest of all of the ones I have seen on City-Data, was filled to the brim with Anti-White, Anti-Catholic, Anti-Italian, and Anti-Working-class bias.

I'm not Italian, don't live in Staten Island, and could count on 2 hands the number of times I've been in Staten Island. I'm just an Irish guy in the Bronx, however this post was a ton of B.S., filled with double-standard, hate whitey propaganda.

You think white people are all a bunch of losers? I'm guessing you'd get defensive real quickly if I started enumerating all of the pathologies that the non-white population in the city has. For example, if white pepople are such loosers, how come over 90% of the nearly half a million people in public housing in this city are Non-White? You repeatedly talked about drugs in your post (even though drug use for the whole popultion, both white and black, is fairly small). I think this might be a problem on your end, but you can rest assured that the majority of people working in civil service in Staten Island are not on drugs. I know a lot of cops and firemen, and beer is about as close as they get to using a mind-altering substance.


Yes certainly white, blue-collar neighborhoods, are not the Upper East Side, and people in these neighborhoods don't pretend to be like that. However most of these neighborhoods, which you seem to have a great disdain for, are nice places to live, and that is why they are still around.

I'm sorry NYC01207...whoever you are. You clearly had some bad experiences in Staten Island, however the problem seems to be on your end and not on Staten Island. Staten Island, is and will remain a nice middle-class suburban area of the city. Far from the apocalyptic picture that you painted in your post, Staten Island is a fairly normal suburb, quite typical of a suburban area in the NYC metro area.

[nyc0127]

First off, how exactly did I post ''racism''? Explain to me any racial remarks I've made. Did you just indirectly admit you're a racist to call me a ''Jew''? By all means, I'm guessing for such an inappropriate remark and assumption, you're from Staten Island.
Although I don't understand how you're any better for publicly assuming I'm a ''Jew'', I appreciate that you consider my posts rationalized and intelligent.

I'm guessing you're white. Even if it's not yourself or immediate family, someone in your distance family is likely civil service oriented. You're probably Catholic. You probably have a lot of stress in your life. The truth about a real man though is they look at themselves in the mirror. If any racist white man who made 200 thousand a year in Manhattan had his job taken by a black man, he'd commend him. He'd say it's time for me to get better.

Personally, I don't even think you came to your own conclusions. I think you're using Mead and other's posts to develop your own opinion. You basically summarized they're opinions in a paragraph added with a little anti-semitism.

You know what they'd do in low-class places like the south or the south shore of Staten Island? They'd say it's because of ''affirmative action''. Even though in reality, the jobs they have require barely any skill to begin with. If you're going to be a bigot, be a real man. If you can't give constructive criticism to yourself, how will you ever get better?

Second off, who are you to judge my posts, if you barely read them? I noted several times that I am Catholic (in the beginning, I called myself by ''title'', ect.) Even if I was Jewish in you're prejudice world, it would be obsolete. Plenty of Jewish people are in the same boat as white catholics in Staten Island anyway.

The other guys may not agree with my posts, but at least they go about themselves with some respect. Mead spoke much properly than others on this post. He used facts, maps and questioned main points I've expressed about Staten Island.
I have no person attacks on anyone.

I'm delivering facts. My opinion has no association with the reality of how behind Staten Island is. Staten Island is behind for all groups. Unfortunetly, prejudisim is a problem there so I needed to go into topics that most are reluctant to ever do to really convey my point.

This is reality people. Look at everything I've said thoroughly. Even if you don't agree, there is nothing I've said that probably isn't at least partly correct. I know what I'm talking about. It's sad that a 19 year old person had to have what it takes to speak out.
If you like your system so much, get an education and improve the infastructure of Staten Island. I don't understand how someone is a bigot because they've explained how someone elses method of bigotry.

It's like the same philosophy of Americans getting irritated when ever a non-English language is spoken. Wouldn't it make us more intelligent to know foreign languages? Listen, Staten Island is pitiful. If there is one person that never wants to live there it would be someone who practiced the Islam faith within a couple years of 9/11. The cops and fireman attempt to disracesfully use this heroic status for the rest of their lives just like Rudy Giuliani's campaigning methods. In a way, it still feels like the anti-muslim sentiment there is like what it was within the first year in the rest of the country. It's accepted to be a bigot in Staten Island if you're around whites. They aren't real men though. They'd never say it to anyones faces.

It is a fact that race is an ongoing topic in the New York media at all moments. If you watch the News, I've heard them go into detail about victims (not even people who commited crimes) into saying ''light skinned hispanic or white male'' (how exactly are you suppose to know someone is Hispanic to begin with? would it be prejudice to assume) or ''dark-skinned hispanic male or black male''. Go to any other city in America with large populations of both. The word ''Hispanic'' is little said. Cops don't identity criminals or victims as that as frequently.

There is a problem throughout the whole New York area, but especially in Staten Island. For anyone who doesn't live in the area, understand what you are coming into. I am from here. I've lived in the area around all different diversity. This is safe to say and you can quote me on this. With the exclusion of the deep south, New York City systemically is the most racist city on the North American continent. With the elevated form of diversity, it seems awkward why that could be such a reality. One form of prejudisim is constantly having stuff reinforced.

I don't know if any of you read this article. It was in several papers. This will illustrates my point. Recently, a case is in the middle of trial. A 17 year old white kid from Long Island was starting trouble with a black kid at a party. Suppodely, the black kid ''threatened'' to rape a girl in an online chat room. That turned out to not even be true.

The 20 year old black kid, wisely went home. He actually lived in a nice home in a nice area too. The white kid called his house saying ''get your n... as back to this party.'' The black kid said no. He came with 5 of his white friends to that 20 year old's house. He tried breaking down his door. Obviously, there wasn't enough time for the cops to come.

So the black kid's dad came outside and told him to get away. He didn't listen. The black father (who was slim and not that strong) pointed a gun at the white kid's face in an attempt to get him off his property. The kid was dumb enough to still try to fight. He tried ripping the gun out of his hand's and one of them shot the white kid dead.

His father is arrested on manslaughter charges. Because his friends acknowledge some of what he did, and it was simple self-defense on someone dumb enough to try to grab a gun out of someone's hands, they'll likely beat it. They might get hit on the charge of illegal possesion of a gun. They probably won't see any prison time though.

Now here is my observation. This kid died. The first paragraph in the editorial of the Post (a low-class paper but I'll use it as an example) said ''His father lied to him. He told him he could be equal and live like any other man.'' That is far from the truth. That kid can live like anyone else. Because of one idiot? By doing this though, the media institued that blacks are treated unfairly.

New York City is 42% white (non Middle-Eastern, non-Latin American). Within that, approximately half is Jewish. Within most of the other 21%, much of it is Catholic (a little Orthodox, a tiny bit of Protestant groups, ect). Before WWII, the Jews were on the better end, and the Catholics usually were on the poorer end. That was primarily true for Italian immigrants. I'm not saying this in a bad way or good way. That is a fact.

The way I see it in this kind of article there was 3 kinds of people who'd read this article. For educated whites and blacks and who ever else, they'd this as kind of like this kid deserved what he got. They wouldn't absorb it. For the educated whites (who tend to be more Jewish - and the media in New York City and the U.S. is very), they love to egg it on.

In this article, they were worse than I am. They discrased that dead kid like he had no right to live. She said his family came from working-class and that in court they were shaking there head when they saw their black family on the other side of the court room. Now, within even the meanest of the working-class whites, they even knew this kid was wrong. But, would the ''worst'' (which isn't a whole lot, but obviously him) ever admit that? No.

They just get pushed apart further from eachother. Poor and lower-middle class blacks would believe that conclusion the journalist came to. They'd do that because they may not live well. Not that many will blame themselves for their poverty. They tend to blame the ''system'' or society. The truth is regardless of you are, if you're a loser, it's no one elses fault except for yours.

But the media and people who let it go one ear through the other are the wealthy. To them, they either don't care, or take amusement out of white trash embarrassing themselves. The media loves to belittle them. They like to make the lower-class blacks feel like they have it bad because of ''uncontrolled circumstances''. They like to make the lower-middle class prejudice whites seem like vermin. They do a damn good job at it too.

So this creates hostility within the two children. Through all, the educated whites don't take the losers seriously. I'm not saying this to sound prejudice, but observe for yourself. The people educated white males in New York City usually have least respect for are prejudice lower-middle class whites. The lower-middle class whites would never societally speak against them. In a way when they attack lower-class blacks, it kind of makes them feel special that they can appreciate ''white priveledge.''

In that case, that kid represented an insignificant proportion of the population. Long Island has good people. Staten Island has good people who are corrupted. Usually, they don't understand this until they see outside the box and leave Staten Island. When they do, they often realize they'd never want to go back.

If any of you have any questions you want to ask me, my e-mail is nyj01827@yahoo.com. Remember, I was a descendant of this problem in the south shore of Staten Island. I see systematic prejudism in my family all the time. I am nothing like them because I am an independent open-minded educated person.

By the samyn on the green, keep you're prejudisim to yourself. That line you said was the definition of the word ignorance. There is a reason why you guys are still reading and responding to my posts. That is because the points I'm making are somewhat true and I speak properly (unlike yourself).

[samyn on the green]

It is not right to attack somebody on here but the truth of the matter is that you are a verbose windbag . One or two sentences should be able to express your point on a message board. There is beauty in simplicity.

The few times I have been to Staten Island I always had a great time with decent hardworking people. The white working class that was pushed out of Brooklyn found a home there. Their culture is extinct in Manhattan and the Bronx. It is nice that the white working class still have their dignity in Staten Island along with a place to be with their own people.


Working class and white in the 5 boroughs is like being a refugee in Darfur. Like a refugee caught in a war, safety is constantly being compromised by those that dwell in the projects. Then on the other hand we have the trust fund liberal whites/Jews who have the highest disdain and hatred for working class whites. It has been their desire/policy to replace them with cheap labor diversity. Their plan has worked over the last 30 years. So like refugees most working class whites have been pushed out of the city. The NYC White working class should go the UN en masse and apply for refugee status. The diatribe of hatred posted above is a good example of the persecution they face when trying to make a living in this city. Their only refuge is the garbage dump known as Richmond county/Staten Island.

[bigd4535]

Short Post with Relevant Information

If you are seriously considering moving to Staten Island, then you should look at the North Shore. I was born and raised in Staten Island and lived there for 20 years before leaving for college in Massachusetts. I must agree with some of the posters, South Shore culture is deffinitely lacking. If you are a person from the city then you would feel more at home on the North Shore. West Brighton, Grymes Hill, Ward Hill, St. George, are all nice neigborhoods. Yes, the people on the South Shore generally have more money than those on the North Shore but I would not describe them as affluent. Its more of a Good-fellas/Sopranos vibe with lots of tans, fake nails, and tract houses. And many South Shore residents are heavily in debt and live way above their means as this forclosure map illustrates:

http://www.brownstoner.com/brownston...agforemap1.jpg

[samyn on the green]

Originally Posted by nyc0127

First off, how exactly did I post ''racism''? Explain to me any racial remarks I've made. Did you just indirectly admit you're a racist to call me a ''Jew''? By all means, I'm guessing for such an inappropriate remark and assumption, you're from Staten Island.

You refered to working class European Americans as loser whites no less than 5 times in your posts. Then you degraded the European-Americans that protect you as cops. I pegged you as a Jew which is the same as you calling me a white, I did not call you a loser Jew. I prefer to be called European American and I am proud of my working class roots and my family. Is it really educated and high class to call some of the posters families on here loser whites? What is worst loser white or Jew? Maybe when your nose is lowered from the upright position it is indeed you that is the racist/intolerant one.


You even went so far to degrade the European-Americans that work for the NY sanitation department, calling their job easy and for the dumb. How would you know that there job is easy money? You claim to be 19 years old, did you ever have to handle a few tons of peoples waste, rotting food and dog feces on a sweltering, sultry summer day. Exposing their selves to massive amounts of bacteria and virus, is that not worth $35 an hour? You should know all about rubbish living on a trash dump for the first 15 years of your life, but you seem to have missed that experience so far. Maybe one day when you pull away from mommy and daddy's warm teet and may find yourself in a humble position. Better not make 100 paragraph posts on random message board and keep up the studies, the garbage is waiting for you.


Have you ever considered that is time to stop thumbing your nose at your former neighbors and friends on Staten Island. Are you really that much better than them? Perhaps with more life experience you may come to the conclusion that they are just commonly decent people making ends meet. Perhaps with a little more life experience you may actually realize the reason you hate them so much is because they are you and you hate yourself. Staten Island really isn't that bad a place is it?


How do you feel about your new neighbors in Camden NJ? Maybe Mommy could drop you off there since it is close by. With a nice trip to Camden you can finally have an experience outside of pokemon, video games or the mall. Be sure to tell us how your Camden nighttime excursion goes and how it compares to your adolescent horror show with the boorish loser whites of Staten Island.

Staten Island is a decent place, you just need to see more of the world.

[Marc Oh!]

NYC0127,

If the kids in SI use the same grammar and spelling as you, then you're right, they probably are uneducated. Some of your arguments seem halfway decent, but I just can't take them seriously when the spelling is that bad.

I'll agree, SI can seem to be a world of it's own, filled with eccentric personalities and people who are carbon copies of each other. But it's a nice place to live if you want to raise a family and stay within the 5 boroughs. I moved from Philly to Bensonhurst about a year ago. I'm 24, if I stay here long term, I'd definitely consider buying a house in SI, I enjoy going there. Then again, I'm Italian Catholic, so I might be a little biased. I do like Bensonhurst, as long as Italians don't completely disperse from here.

By the way, there's plenty of trash in South Jersey. And over half of Philly is a total sh*thole, the crime rate is MUCH higher than NYC (2/3 the murders but only 1/6 the population). And many whites there are just as racist, b/c they're basically losing their city. The working class whites (which you seem to dislike) held that city together and now that they're fleeing, the city is going down the drain. Don't get me wrong, I love where I'm from and think people are more down-to-earth. But hey, I wouldn't say it's any better to live than SI.

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Samyn on the green, I'm glad you understand that it isn't right to attack one another. However, at least get through one more sentence before trying to insult me again. When I called you prejudice for coming to the assumption that I was a ''Jew'' (even though I explained multiple times what I am), I had plausible reasoning. What exactly was your reasoning that any intelligent person would respect or understand?

I know people who are just like you. They've been to Staten Island. When they were there, it wasn't all that bad. If you're only there a few times for little amount of time, you don't get a taste for what it really is. That's the same with every place. Florida may be a beautiful vacation or retirement spot, but for many it's not an advisable place to live.

The ''working class'' whites developed a new culture. They weren't predominantly civil service workers before they got there. Like the other guy, you're still thinking of Staten Island as a legitimate borough of New York City. With the except of technicalities, that isn't true. The real estate market is different, the sociology and intellectuality are completely different. Although that ''culture'' may be extinct for whites in the rest of the city, there are individuals who still follow that same lines.

Personally, I have no problem with it. It's how they go about themselves that bothers me. They're prejudice. They're plastic. They need to belittle people (particularly poor non-whites) in order to compensate for the fact they could never wave a bachelor's degree in your face.

I'm not going to explode. I actually somewhat agree with that ''refugee'' quote. It might seem awkward for such a place to exist in the New York City area, but it's fairly common to see lower-middle class and blue collared white societies throughout the country.

Liberal whites really associate with working-class whites that much. They usually don't live in the same areas, so there interaction is limited. The educated whites are kind of like the bullies. They run the show. The non-educated whites are usually so minimal and scattered that they have no face.

Another thing, the projects are seizing to exist in New York City. Ask Mo Vaughn that. He's bought out some of the dirtiest buildings in downtown Brooklyn and turned them into really nice apartments that could command most of your mortgages. The land is worth too much. If you can't afford to live in New York City, you don't have the right to live there. Lower-income will likely remain because it says people are paying rent and are trying to progress.

As far as ''cheap/labor'' diversity goes, hasn't that been the story of each generation in New York? Now, it's Dominicans, south Americans and other groups. In the 60's and 70's it was Puerto Rican immigrants. For the first half of the 20th century, it was Italians. Who do you think treated all those groups like garbage during their rough times? Wealthy whites. Why are they so reluctant to ever taking a swing at them?

Although it's not much, if you were a prejudice person of Italian descent on Staten Island, how would it make sense to attack people who never did anything to you? If you ever hear prejudice, it's aimed at blacks, asians, muslims, jews, immigrants and a load of other groups. Were they the ones who treated them like garbage in America? In New Orleans in the 1890's, several Italian immigrants were lynched. Look at the Sacco and Vanzetti incident in Boston. Try getting an idiot on Staten Island to believe that. If you ever said someone of Italian descent was ''ethnic'' on Staten Island, they'd be the ones exploding.

I was skimming through the Staten Island Advance (It really isn't worth reading), and I saw something about a ''KKK meeting'' in Great Kills. It said there were eight members. Almost every white christian was probably catholic. Weren't catholics a target of the KKK? How do you think they would have seen Italian immigrants?
Apparently though, some people on Staten Island like curving their families history and heritage to how it fits their minds similar to how Malcomb X did with Islam.

No one pushed them out of the city. They pushed themselves out. They could have remained where they were or went to a better suburb. They couldn't continue to live the way they do though. Most of America did this. Through all, we both agree that it is a ''garbage dump''. From the way you make it sound, you sound you got less respect for that place than I do. If that's the case, than we're probably on the same page, even if you disagree with how I'm presenting this information.