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Old 01-03-2010, 05:31 PM
 
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In fairness to Seventh Floor, he has a point about how the city does need low income workers. My contention is the neighborhoods towards the edges of the city (Northern Bronx, Outer Queens, Staten Island, Newark,) will eventually fill such a nitch.

Northern Bronx will fill a nitch for 'low income workers?'
When I was growing up, northern Bronx was largely middle classed workers. What is a considered 'low income' these days? Anything below 100K?

 
Old 01-03-2010, 05:33 PM
 
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Riaelise...if you can't afford to live in NY, then MOVE!!!! Stop complaining and crying. It is what it is. You complaining is not going to change anything. NY is a place like no other. Instead of complaining of high rent, greedy landlords and rent stabilization not being strict enough, why don't you move to Idaho....rent is cheap there. Bye!
Yes, free up the space for more norte-dame trust funders!

Free market = good.
 
Old 01-03-2010, 06:17 PM
 
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Yes, free up the space for more norte-dame trust funders!

Free market = good.
Agreed...also:

Free Market = Capitalism...what this country was founded on and the way it should be and remain. End of story!

Rent Stabilization = Socialism (always asking for a handout...gimme gimme gimme but don't want to work work work)

Welfare/Public assistance/Section 8 = Socialism (always asking for a handout...gimme gimme gimme but don't want to work work work)

NY Politics = Socialism (caters to the...gimme gimme gimme crowd)

The overall mindset of liberal NYers = Socialist (always asking for a handout...gimme gimme gimme but don't want to work work work)
 
Old 01-03-2010, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Confines of the 101 Precinct
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I figured it out for you seventhfloor so now I'm getting back to you. Actually you answered your own question. There is NO incentive to travel and move to NY to get paid minimum wage and expect to survive here....so why even move to NY in the first place and then have the nerve to complain about the high cost of living. It doesn't make sense.

How can anyone move to NY with no or little education or training and expect to make it big here with the cost of living? Don't people research the area before moving? Come on.

If you can't afford NY, then MOVE!!! LEAVE!!! No one is forcing you to stay! NY is not for everyone!
not everybody who works a minimum wage job is an immigrant....im sorry but there is no incentive for somebody to work at the m&m store in times square as a cashier when they have to pay $89 a month to get to work and live an hour and a half away....so you tell me who is going to do that job? not you....
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Old 01-03-2010, 06:24 PM
 
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not everybody who works a minimum wage job is an immigrant....im sorry but there is no incentive for somebody to work at the m&m store in times square as a cashier when they have to pay $89 a month to get to work and live an hour and a half away....so you tell me who is going to do that job? not you....
So then the M&M store will pay higher wages. That's it.

With a city of 8,000,000+ people, there's always someone willing to work for low wages, even if they live far away and have to pay $89 / Month for a Metrocard.
 
Old 01-03-2010, 06:28 PM
 
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So then the M&M store will pay higher wages. That's it.

With a city of 8,000,000+ people, there's always someone willing to work for low wages, even if they live far away and have to pay $89 / Month for a Metrocard.
and you know who that is? an illegal alien who isnt even qualified to work or live here....so now the company is not abiding by law....great scenario.

and they will not pay higher wages...when's the last time you heard of a company specifically increasing wages to increase quality of life for its workers.....

not everything works the same way as our economics textbooks in college this is the real world.
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Old 01-03-2010, 06:32 PM
 
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and you know who that is? an illegal alien who isnt even qualified to work or live here....so now the company is not abiding by law....great scenario.

and they will not pay higher wages...when's the last time you heard of a company specifically increasing wages to increase quality of life for its workers.....

not everything works the same way as our economics textbooks in college this is the real world.
Mod cut If there is a shortage of workers, wages will increase and so will the final price of their product. They will not pay higher wages because even at minimum wage, there will be someone willing to work. You have no way of knowing whether their employees are legal immigrants or not.

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Old 01-03-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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not everybody who works a minimum wage job is an immigrant....im sorry but there is no incentive for somebody to work at the m&m store in times square as a cashier when they have to pay $89 a month to get to work and live an hour and a half away....so you tell me who is going to do that job? not you....

You're right..not me because I'm not dumb enough or lazy enough to just sit around and be a loser like them and then ask the City for a handout.

I have the desire to better myself and challenge myself to become a self made man because I CHOSE the option to go to school and become something that would benefit me and my family. If you're working in the M&M store then who do you blame for your short comings? You gotta get with the program or get stepped on.
 
Old 01-03-2010, 06:54 PM
 
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and you know who that is? an illegal alien who isnt even qualified to work or live here....so now the company is not abiding by law....great scenario.

and they will not pay higher wages...when's the last time you heard of a company specifically increasing wages to increase quality of life for its workers.....

not everything works the same way as our economics textbooks in college this is the real world.
They won't raise the wage they pay for the purpose of increasing the quality of life of a worker, they will raise the wage when the manager says "gee, shucks, no one is answering our classified ad, the sign in the window, or taking the job when they come in and ask about it".

The minimum wage is higher than the actual market price of minimum wage labor, or we wouldn't need for there to be one.
 
Old 01-03-2010, 07:04 PM
 
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...and the median income and general wealth of the region is going up and up as the old-time NYer leave and the new college grads/"yuppies" comes in. So it's not a bad thing at all.

In Manhattan, it's a mixture of the "Notre Dame trust fund grads" and wealthy Europeans.

Instead of generalizing what you think, you should read the census/demographic stats re: the demographic changes in NY. I'll summarize:


- More than 43,000 city households last year joined the wealth club of those earning $200,000 annually or more, the largest increase in the United States while the $200,000 club dropped on national average.

-In Manhattan, the number of households with incomes below $10,000 a year rose by 529 in 2008 -- while those in the $200,000-a-year class shot up by more than 19,000.

-Other boroughs also saw a spike in the wealthiest households: an increase of more than 6,000 in Brooklyn, 5,300 in Queens, 1,500 in The Bronx and 1,400 on Staten Island.

-In contrast, the average US household had an income of $50,303 last year, the lowest level in 12 years, and down from $52,163 in 2007 while New York City saw an increase.

- Manhattanites got richer, driving the top 5% threshold income to over $857,000 - the wealthiest county in the United States.

- The number of whites living in Harlem more than tripled and helped drive up the median income almost 20 percent.

- Foreign buyers accounted for 37% of Manhattan home purchases, only bested by Central London, driving the average purchase price to over $1.4 million.

- Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens are all part of the 25 counties in the United States with a median home value above $500,000.

-The number of 25-year-olds in Brooklyn holding at least a bachelorís degree rose by 30%, to 438,568 people

-In Brooklyn Asians accounted for the borough's biggest jump, with a 21% increase, from 185,818 to 224,384 from 2000 to 2007 and the white population grew by 6%, from 1.02 million to 1.08 million

-The number of residents in Sunset Park who do not speak English at home dropped by more than 17 percent



Furthermore, most people living in wonderful suburbs throughout the region like Westchester, areas in Connecticut are middle-class. They just bought before the bubble.

But nobody has argued that middle-class middle-American folk are running into high cost of living cities like New York or Boston, San Francisco etc. in droves, so I have no idea who you're arguing with.

Cities on the level as NY on the world stage have never been middle-America type cities, this isn't a new revelation. NYC would actually be scary if it were like that...like a Phoenix or a Austin

Clearly, people who want the cookie cutter home and a McDonalds and Wal Mart on every corner avoid these exorbitantly priced regions like the plague. Nothing new here. They attract the rich, the youth and the immigrants.
To couple the rise of wealthy it should be noted that there is also a rise in homelessness as well. I think that goes to show how polarized things are.

NYC Department of Homeless Services

not to mention that they are charged rent as well. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/ny...1&ref=nyregion

It is not to place blame on any particular politician or group, but I just don't know how anyone can justify the current trends in this scenario. And further concentrating poverty by leaving a few affordable places further out will exacerbate problems and could potentially reverse alot of the gains made as far as reduction in crime goes. I could go on till I'm blue in the face...
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