The "affordable" neighborhoods of NYC (New York, York: highrise, real estate)

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by CrazyJerzyKidUNO

i knew that. I was saying that to be eligable for the "Middle-Income Housing" those were the requirements for a family of four. Seems pretty reasonable. But like I said im not sure where they are going to go with that. Even if they started to build housing like that it would probably not be in great abundance as needed.

Hah, middle income housing usually = state housing projects. Like the dumps Mitchell Lama operates.

The rent is not the only problem in NYC for the middle class. The schools suck, the housing is small, the neighborhoods are not safe. There are many reasons why middle class families are leaving this city. It's too bad but I understand why people take off.

[AngryTypingGuy]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

And why do you say who cares about Staten Island, that borough has the highest quality of life in all of NYC.

Don't kid yourself. Who really gives a damn about SI? Ask any New Yorker that question and they'll just scoff at you. They have to take a goddamn ferry to get to NYC, either that or drive up from the bottom of Brooklyn all the way to the other side. Most people would rather move to the suburbs or to another city than settle with SI if it was their only option.

Originally Posted by Hustla718

As for your prediction about yuppies taking over the uptown part of the island of Manhattan. Have anything to back that up. Last time I checked middle class and White were on the way out, West Indian and poor were on the way in. At least for uptown. East side is being over ran with Mexicans while the Dominicans are expanding south from Washington Heights.

When did I say anything about "yuppies"? I've read articles in the Times in the past about properties being bought out in Harlem and to the west of it. And who else would take the chance to do that than the middle class? They're the ones getting pushed out from the rest of Manhattan, so they're taking chances to secure what could become profitable one day. Compared to Queens, Harlem has a more unique history and the architecture is far better with brownstones lining up the streets.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by AngryTypingGuy

Don't kid yourself. Who really gives a damn about SI? Ask any New Yorker that question and they'll just scoff at you. They have to take a goddamn ferry to get to NYC, either that or drive up from the bottom of Brooklyn all the way to the other side. Most people would rather move to the suburbs or to another city than settle with SI if it was their only option.

You don't have to ever leave Staten Island, you can live and work there. You can work in Brooklyn or Jersey as well. And if anything you can drive which is much better then taking the train, just a pain in the ass to park (not as bad outside Manhattan). Not everyone cares about Manhattan. Some people have jobs and real lives and free time is spent at home with family, friends, or working.

Originally Posted by AngryTypingGuy

When did I say anything about "yuppies"? I've read articles in the Times in the past about properties being bought out in Harlem and to the west of it. And who else would take the chance to do that than the middle class? They're the ones getting pushed out from the rest of Manhattan, so they're taking chances to secure what could become profitable one day. Compared to Queens, Harlem has a more unique history and the architecture is far better with brownstones lining up the streets.

The people buying up property in areas like Harlem are making money now. Renting it to the incoming Mexicans, Dominicans, Africans and Jamaicans I have seen more and more of in Harlem. Not too many people really give a damn about architecture. They just want a roof over there head in an affordable area that is safe and accually have room for more then one person. Middle class has no desire for NYC and NYC has no desire for the middle class.

[CrazyJerzyKidUNO]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

Hah, middle income housing usually = state housing projects. Like the dumps Mitchell Lama operates.

The rent is not the only problem in NYC for the middle class. The schools suck, the housing is small, the neighborhoods are not safe. There are many reasons why middle class families are leaving this city. It's too bad but I understand why people take off.

you swear NYC is dangerous. Its not. Its just a city.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by CrazyJerzyKidUNO

you swear NYC is dangerous. Its not. Its just a city.

Would you let your children play on a busy street in NYC? With all these sexual preditors, drunk drivers, bad drivers, *******s.

No city is really dangerous minus certain areas, but for children citys are not safe. A sidewalk is no place for a child unless you have constant supervision. At least in a suburban area you have a locked off back yard.

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

Would you let your children play on a busy street in NYC? With all these sexual preditors, drunk drivers, bad drivers, *******s.

No city is really dangerous minus certain areas, but for children citys are not safe. A sidewalk is no place for a child unless you have constant supervision. At least in a suburban area you have a locked off back yard.

That's why there's Eastern Queens, Southern Brooklyn, Throggs Neck, etc....


Heck, Jackson Heights has private gardens and even Bed-Stuy/Crown Heights buildings have backyards (the brownstones). And of course, there are the parks. I grew up at 85 dr and 139 st in the Briarwood section of Queens in a walk-up (BTW, georgous area, very diverse and family friendly), and my mom always let me out to play in the park over on Queens Blvd.

Sexual predators live everywhere. I heard Alaska has some of the highest per capita. Drunk drivers? They're in Jersey too.

People forget what NYC offers children:

-Museums
-Arts
-Tons of diverse playmates
-Array of quality elementary schools
-Beaches and parks
-Teenagers have tons to do
-Plenty of working oppertunites
-colleges right here


Also, some NYC high schools are not bad to quite good:

-Cardozo (Queens)
-Townsend Harris (Queens)
-Midwood (Brooklyn)
-Edward R Murrow (Brooklyn)
-James Madison (Brooklyn)
-Bayside (Queens, one of my friends goes here)
-Forest Hills (Queens)
-Ft Hamilton (Brooklyn)

Many of the specaity schools are good too. Also, the fact is that even in the "ghetto", Almost all NYC elementary schools are great schools (except in the worst of worst neighborhoods). It's Middle and High school you have to look out for.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by briarwood

That's why there's Eastern Queens, Southern Brooklyn, Throggs Neck, etc....


Heck, Jackson Heights has private gardens and even Bed-Stuy/Crown Heights buildings have backyards (the brownstones). And of course, there are the parks. I grew up at 85 dr and 139 st in the Briarwood section of Queens in a walk-up (BTW, georgous area, very diverse and family friendly), and my mom always let me out to play in the park over on Queens Blvd.

Sexual predators live everywhere. I heard Alaska has some of the highest per capita. Drunk drivers? They're in Jersey too.

People forget what NYC offers children:

-Museums
-Arts
-Tons of diverse playmates
-Array of quality elementary schools
-Beaches and parks
-Teenagers have tons to do
-Plenty of working oppertunites
-colleges right here


Also, some NYC high schools are not bad to quite good:

-Cardozo (Queens)
-Townsend Harris (Queens)
-Midwood (Brooklyn)
-Edward R Murrow (Brooklyn)
-James Madison (Brooklyn)
-Bayside (Queens, one of my friends goes here)
-Forest Hills (Queens)
-Ft Hamilton (Brooklyn)

Many of the specaity schools are good too. Also, the fact is that even in the "ghetto", Almost all NYC elementary schools are great schools (except in the worst of worst neighborhoods). It's Middle and High school you have to look out for.

The fact is, the street is dangerous for children. Even in nicer areas. You have more sexual preditors in citys becuase there are more people. Forget per capita rates, they prey on the weak. The more you have around you the greater the risk.

Besides that you have ghetto youth which are not the friendliest. Drunk drivers, bad drivers, and police speeding around. There are way more cars passing through NYC streets then suburban areas. Much more. More people.

As for city backyards, please. Those little BBQ lots. Feels like a prison. At least you can put up one basketball court and gate yourself off which is what most do. When I mean yards I mean huge lots with in ground pools, trees, maybe a vollyball court. Those type of homes are more affordable then the usual multifamily apartment wannabe houses in nicer areas of the city.

-Museums
-Arts
-Tons of diverse playmates
-Array of quality elementary schools
-Beaches and parks
-Teenagers have tons to do
-Plenty of working oppertunites
-colleges right here

There is no time to take young kids to do these things. People work, have their own obligations. If anything most kids will stay on their blocks in their neighborhoods. Work opportunites, you have to be kidding. There is nothing for the youth especially in the citys low income areas. Teens like to be on their own and the only thing for them are the parks really. Even then there aren't a lot of parks for the population. The beaches during the summer are good to go tanning but most will pass on the water. NYC isn't exactly Florida or the Jersey shore. The beaches are far from the greatest. At least some colleges are okay. But most kids after living in the city of NY want to leave somewhere else for school. Unless they have work/family obligations or don't want to leave friends.

And elementary schools, you must be joking. In some areas they may be okay but they underfunded and over crowded as it is. In low income areas forget it. What is considered excellent in NYC would be average outside the city.

The city doesn't offer a good deal for kids. And NYC is not alone on this problem.

[CrazyJerzyKidUNO]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

Would you let your children play on a busy street in NYC? With all these sexual preditors, drunk drivers, bad drivers, *******s.

No city is really dangerous minus certain areas, but for children citys are not safe. A sidewalk is no place for a child unless you have constant supervision. At least in a suburban area you have a locked off back yard.

Well ofcaurse when you look at it that way. But that is for little children. Children get hit by cars everywhere and as for the sexual predator thing if a parent is basically not a dumb ass he is gonna know not to let hit child roam the city if they are not responsible. Also there are tons of suburban areas all over NYC. Northern parts of the Bronx, some parts of Southern Brooklyn and most of eastern Queens. Bayside Queens is rediculously suburban. Till the point that the only thing that reminds you you are in NYC is the subway station. Ofcaurse not safe for a 3-10 year old. But a grown man? And you cant say no city is reall dangerous minus certain areas. Alot of cities arn't SAFE minus certain areas. Off the top of my head I can say that the majority of major cities i have been to are MOSTLY dangerous. Except for some parts. Washington D.C. SUPER crime rate. Philadelphia (historical but crime central), Baltimore(with some exceptions). NYC is the only major city i can say yea its SAFE with some exceptions. Dont kid yourself. Only places in NYC that are dangerous are near the PJ's. Where did you actually grow up?

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

The fact is, the street is dangerous for children. Even in nicer areas. You have more sexual preditors in citys becuase there are more people. Forget per capita rates, they prey on the weak. The more you have around you the greater the risk.

Besides that you have ghetto youth which are not the friendliest. Drunk drivers, bad drivers, and police speeding around. There are way more cars passing through NYC streets then suburban areas. Much more. More people.

As for city backyards, please. Those little BBQ lots. Feels like a prison. At least you can put up one basketball court and gate yourself off which is what most do. When I mean yards I mean huge lots with in ground pools, trees, maybe a vollyball court. Those type of homes are more affordable then the usual multifamily apartment wannabe houses in nicer areas of the city.



There is no time to take young kids to do these things. People work, have their own obligations. If anything most kids will stay on their blocks in their neighborhoods. Work opportunites, you have to be kidding. There is nothing for the youth especially in the citys low income areas. Teens like to be on their own and the only thing for them are the parks really. Even then there aren't a lot of parks for the population. The beaches during the summer are good to go tanning but most will pass on the water. NYC isn't exactly Florida or the Jersey shore. The beaches are far from the greatest. At least some colleges are okay. But most kids after living in the city of NY want to leave somewhere else for school. Unless they have work/family obligations or don't want to leave friends.

And elementary schools, you must be joking. In some areas they may be okay but they underfunded and over crowded as it is. In low income areas forget it. What is considered excellent in NYC would be average outside the city.

The city doesn't offer a good deal for kids. And NYC is not alone on this problem.

Ummm....the truth is that NYC has some pretty good elementary schools. Even some of the suburban elementary schools have their problems. As for small houses, yeah, I'm sure all those 6 and 8 bedroom victorians in Flatbush are too small. Eastern Queens is rediculously suburban and nice. Then there is Middle Village, Maspeth, Glendale, Forest Hills, Rego Park and Woodhaven-Ozone Park. Even the Bronx has it's good parts.

I think you've been damaged by the preception that the city gave you during the 1970's and 1980's. And even then, the majority of the city was good neighborhoods.


NYC has serious problems facing it, no doubt. But it does have a thriving middle class, a hard-working immigrant popualtion, and a growing number of wealthy individuals choosing to start families here. for all our projects and immigrants, we have a poverty rate of 20%, which is not too bad.


Are taxes too high? yes. Are the schools failing? Most. Is there still crime? Certain sections. But overall, New York offers a excellent quality of life. Not to mention one of the nations best employment growth centers.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by CrazyJerzyKidUNO

Well ofcaurse when you look at it that way. But that is for little children. Children get hit by cars everywhere and as for the sexual predator thing if a parent is basically not a dumb ass he is gonna know not to let hit child roam the city if they are not responsible. Also there are tons of suburban areas all over NYC. Northern parts of the Bronx, some parts of Southern Brooklyn and most of eastern Queens. Bayside Queens is rediculously suburban. Till the point that the only thing that reminds you you are in NYC is the subway station. Ofcaurse not safe for a 3-10 year old. But a grown man? And you cant say no city is reall dangerous minus certain areas. Alot of cities arn't SAFE minus certain areas. Off the top of my head I can say that the majority of major cities i have been to are MOSTLY dangerous. Except for some parts. Washington D.C. SUPER crime rate. Philadelphia (historical but crime central), Baltimore(with some exceptions). NYC is the only major city i can say yea its SAFE with some exceptions. Dont kid yourself. Only places in NYC that are dangerous are near the PJ's. Where did you actually grow up?

NYC is much denser then any US city I can think of. Suburban here is inner city in most citys. Even Staten Island is building up fast and denser in the north then most places. Most homes being multifamily. The North Bronx is not suburban. There are lots of apartment buildings and multifamily homes. Southern Brooklyn, no way either.

D.C. has a very high crime rate becuase most of that area is low income. Imagine NYC was just fill of areas like Bed-stuy. Now I can admit I havn't been in D.C. since 1996 but I didn't travel any decent areas minus the tourist/gov't section of the city. Then again I was staying it what could be called the ghetto part of D.C. The worst areas were bad but calmer then the worst areas at the time in NYC. Less people less **** going on. The same thing goes for Baltimore and Philly.

NYC has the advantage of having a lot of decent areas to offset the bad, however there are low income neighborhoods in NYC with more crime then any other city in the USA due to more people. But there are even shootings and armed robberies as a regular occurance in the decent areas of the city. I have family in a suburban area upstate, never had a shooting in their community. Drugs sales are only between teens and they aren't exactly killing each other over it.

As for the PJ's being the only areas with crime problems. You have a lot to learn. There are tenement blocks as bad if not worse then any projects. Same goes for old rowhouses and even new townhouses.

The low income areas are bad in every city I have been to, only difference is the more people, the more bull**** going on. Everything else is fake crime stats and making the public feel safe.

Originally Posted by briarwood

Ummm....the truth is that NYC has some pretty good elementary schools. Even some of the suburban elementary schools have their problems. As for small houses, yeah, I'm sure all those 6 and 8 bedroom victorians in Flatbush are too small. Eastern Queens is rediculously suburban and nice. Then there is Middle Village, Maspeth, Glendale, Forest Hills, Rego Park and Woodhaven-Ozone Park. Even the Bronx has it's good parts.

I think you've been damaged by the preception that the city gave you during the 1970's and 1980's. And even then, the majority of the city was good neighborhoods.


NYC has serious problems facing it, no doubt. But it does have a thriving middle class, a hard-working immigrant popualtion, and a growing number of wealthy individuals choosing to start families here. for all our projects and immigrants, we have a poverty rate of 20%, which is not too bad.


Are taxes too high? yes. Are the schools failing? Most. Is there still crime? Certain sections. But overall, New York offers a excellent quality of life. Not to mention one of the nations best employment growth centers.

How am I damaged by the city's perception in the 70's and 80's when I still live and work here? I see what I see. Thriving middle class? Not what I have seen. Hard working immigrants, yes, but their kids are becoming little gangsters thanks to terrible schools. Those that didnt have the ability to leave. Poverty rate of 20%? Bronx is still the poorest urban county. South Bronx poorest congressional district. Harlem/Washington Heights 3rd poorest. Northern BK in the bottom 5. It's called income despairity.