The "affordable" neighborhoods of NYC (Union, Ridge: rental, hotel)

[CrazyJerzyKidUNO]

I could see monmouth being a target but not Middlesex. There is no where for them to go. Only urban areas in Middlesex are parts of Perth Amboy and New Brunswick which continue to get better. Middlesex suburbs are different from the suburbs of Staten island or North Jersey. People arnt moving out down there because its just so damn nice and the population has stablelized. Monmouth however has an OK amount of urban areas across the county that have housing available and who's population is not as stableized. Staten Island would be the perfect place for many people getting out of the other 4 boroughs though. Kind of wierd to think it hasnt happened yet. The thing though about Staten Island is that while rent is cheap, BUYING a house is just as expensive. And you have to live in sterile condos. If Staten Island put up more high rise building mixed with some low-income buildings it could get the ball rolling and start to attract more people. Staten Island is a place that NEEDS to be urbanized. People are constantly saying how built up SI is getting but truthfully its not. Little condons and garden apartments dont mean anything. The average suburban area has sterile condos. SI is no different. The North Shore ofcaurse is the exception but most of the neighborhoods there arnt the greatest. If you look at Newark's Ironbound, they are putting up so many multi-family homes that not only are cheap but go along with the neighborhood. SI would be the perfect candidate for buildings like these. Also ofcaurse something has to be done about Transportation. But thats a whole different thing.

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by CrazyJerzyKidUNO

I could see monmouth being a target but not Middlesex. There is no where for them to go. Only urban areas in Middlesex are parts of Perth Amboy and New Brunswick which continue to get better. Middlesex suburbs are different from the suburbs of Staten island or North Jersey. People arnt moving out down there because its just so damn nice and the population has stablelized. Monmouth however has an OK amount of urban areas across the county that have housing available and who's population is not as stableized. Staten Island would be the perfect place for many people getting out of the other 4 boroughs though. Kind of wierd to think it hasnt happened yet. The thing though about Staten Island is that while rent is cheap, BUYING a house is just as expensive. And you have to live in sterile condos. If Staten Island put up more high rise building mixed with some low-income buildings it could get the ball rolling and start to attract more people. Staten Island is a place that NEEDS to be urbanized. People are constantly saying how built up SI is getting but truthfully its not. Little condons and garden apartments dont mean anything. The average suburban area has sterile condos. SI is no different. The North Shore ofcaurse is the exception but most of the neighborhoods there arnt the greatest. If you look at Newark's Ironbound, they are putting up so many multi-family homes that not only are cheap but go along with the neighborhood. SI would be the perfect candidate for buildings like these. Also ofcaurse something has to be done about Transportation. But thats a whole different thing.

They'll never allow a subway over there. They like SI the way it is, built enviorment wise and demographically (after all, it was Brooklyn they were largely escaping).

[jjbradleynyc]

Originally Posted by AngryTypingGuy

Astoria, Queens - Queens doesn't have any unique characteristic that Brooklyn displays (brownstones), but Astoria is great for it's proximity to Manhattan.
Williamsburg, Brooklyn - Very hip. The Wall Street crowd hasn't arrived yet, but it's not a secret either. Plenty of buildings are being renovated for lofts and condos.
Riverdale, Bronx - A lot of people still believe affordable housing exists in Riverdale, but I've lived there for a few years and it's actually gotten very pricey (maybe in terms of Manhattan prices). Think of it as a closer option to Westchester.
Upper, Upper West Side (116th street and higher), Manhattan - This was my own prediction. Manhattan will slowly expand further to the top end of the island over the years, and the UWS will lead the way.

Who cares about Staten Island?

Your comment about the "wall st crowd not arriving" is super offbase. They have arrived on the northside/southside and keep arriving in droves. The northside (Bedford L stop) pocket will continue to rise in prices towards the level of the city--and in some areas it is there. From the Lorimer L train out to the Montrose/Morgan stops, prices average $2000+ for a 2 bedroom apartment and you are hard-pressed to find a 1 bedroom under $1300. The Jefferson L and Dekalb/Wyckoff/Halsey L train stops are the "new" affordable Williamsburg. Two bedrooms run about $1400-$1500 there.

[Crooklyn Lover]

It’s freaking amazing!! Look at all the places that were listed.

-Brownsville
-East New York
-Flatbush/East Flatbush
-Canarsie
-South Jamaica
-Jamaica
-Corona
-East Elmhurst
-Bronx south of Bedford Park Blvd and West of the Bronx river.
-Williamsbridge/Eastchester/Baychester/Wakefield

If you knew anything about the history of these places over the last 40 years you would understand that your statement is just full of it. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I believe these areas were never meant to gentrify…Ever.

The only reason Harlem is going through changes right now is because all those folks from Long Island and New Jersey are tired of making the commute from home into the city. And when was the last time you heard about most parts of Brooklyn flooding out during a heavy rain storm.

Just save that garbage for all those idiots that don’t know any better.

How is it that I know this….I was born and raised in EAST NEW YORK, BROOKLYN!!!

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by Crooklyn Lover

It’s freaking amazing!! Look at all the places that were listed.

-Brownsville
-East New York
-Flatbush/East Flatbush
-Canarsie
-South Jamaica
-Jamaica
-Corona
-East Elmhurst
-Bronx south of Bedford Park Blvd and West of the Bronx river.
-Williamsbridge/Eastchester/Baychester/Wakefield

If you knew anything about the history of these places over the last 40 years you would understand that your statement is just full of it. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I believe these areas were never meant to gentrify…Ever.

The only reason Harlem is going through changes right now is because all those folks from Long Island and New Jersey are tired of making the commute from home into the city. And when was the last time you heard about most parts of Brooklyn flooding out during a heavy rain storm.

Just save that garbage for all those idiots that don’t know any better.

How is it that I know this….I was born and raised in EAST NEW YORK, BROOKLYN!!!

I would agreee on some, but not necessarly all. New poor areas may rise up to replace fallen ones. SE Queens, lacking a subway, could become a ghetto (Becoming?), While spillover from Harlem begins to make the West Bronx south of the Cross-Bronx nice again.


I don't think Canarise or east flatbush will come back thou. ENY.....not for a long time, but in 50 years....hmmm....

[CrazyJerzyKidUNO]

Originally Posted by Crooklyn Lover

It’s freaking amazing!! Look at all the places that were listed.

-Brownsville
-East New York
-Flatbush/East Flatbush
-Canarsie
-South Jamaica
-Jamaica
-Corona
-East Elmhurst
-Bronx south of Bedford Park Blvd and West of the Bronx river.
-Williamsbridge/Eastchester/Baychester/Wakefield

If you knew anything about the history of these places over the last 40 years you would understand that your statement is just full of it. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I believe these areas were never meant to gentrify…Ever.

The only reason Harlem is going through changes right now is because all those folks from Long Island and New Jersey are tired of making the commute from home into the city. And when was the last time you heard about most parts of Brooklyn flooding out during a heavy rain storm.

Just save that garbage for all those idiots that don’t know any better.

How is it that I know this….I was born and raised in EAST NEW YORK, BROOKLYN!!!

Its not impossible. Look at the South Bronx. Although not gentrified like Harlem its a hell of alot better then it used to be. Compared to what it used to be the south bronx is heaven right now. And thats with all the PJ's too. East New York doesnt have the density of projects that Harlem or the South Bronx have. Yet those areas are on their way up(ofcaurse they are by no means perfect now). East New York's future now isnt looking so great, but Bed-sty and Crown heights and other surrounding areas are following a similiar trend to those of Harlem.(not as extreme though). Its going to take a long time but its New York, it will gentrify.

(not saying that it is a good thing)

[briarwood]

Originally Posted by CrazyJerzyKidUNO

(not saying that it is a good thing)

Why not? I mean, if ENY turned into a wealthy Black/Latino enclave, what would be so wrong? As long as the racial diversity (Which, at 99% Black and Latino, ENY doesn't have anyway) and history remain intact, what seems to be the problem?

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by CrazyJerzyKidUNO

Its not impossible. Look at the South Bronx. Although not gentrified like Harlem its a hell of alot better then it used to be. Compared to what it used to be the south bronx is heaven right now. And thats with all the PJ's too. East New York doesnt have the density of projects that Harlem or the South Bronx have. Yet those areas are on their way up(ofcaurse they are by no means perfect now). East New York's future now isnt looking so great, but Bed-sty and Crown heights and other surrounding areas are following a similiar trend to those of Harlem.(not as extreme though). Its going to take a long time but its New York, it will gentrify.

(not saying that it is a good thing)

How is it better? Poverty? Still there. Shootings, every night. Homicides. Yes. Robberies, too many. Broken families, everywhere.

The only changes you find in areas like the South Bronx or East NY versus at least the late 1980's is less abandoned buildings, and less vacant lots. Oh and less criminals getting killed by other criminals. Lots of people still getting locked up. Still a lot of the same bull****. Most of the problems are still the same.

A lot of post here are just dreams. NYC will always have large concentations of poverty. Neighborhoods will always be segregated. Most people don't give a **** about diversity. Crime will always be a problem.

For 50 years until now, those who could have left this city. Only the rich and poor want to live here. The rich live on another planet. They can afford and have no problems with high living cost. The poor have city housing, section 8 and all sorts of gov't help. The current trends, as a matter fact history is already telling us the future of this city. You don't have to be a psychic.

[LookingtoLeave]

Originally Posted by Hustla718

Hah, middle income housing usually = state housing projects. Like the dumps Mitchell Lama operates.

The rent is not the only problem in NYC for the middle class. The schools suck, the housing is small, the neighborhoods are not safe. There are many reasons why middle class families are leaving this city. It's too bad but I understand why people take off.

I am curious as to what is considered middle class in NYC as in what is the average annual salary? I feel I am considered middle class but make good $ for the cost of living in Texas. I am by no means rich, but also don't feel I need to live in the projects.

[Hustla718]

Originally Posted by LookingtoLeave

I am curious as to what is considered middle class in NYC as in what is the average annual salary? I feel I am considered middle class but make good $ for the cost of living in Texas. I am by no means rich, but also don't feel I need to live in the projects.

Due to NYC's super high living cost in order to live a middle class life you should be making 135k per year. This is why the middle class is fleeing the city. You get a much better deal anywhere else in the nation.