Is P.A better? (New York, Brookhaven: chapel, how much, home)
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Actually, ckh...the county I referred to, with the 6.6% unemployment rate and 20% without high speed internet? Is Steuben County, where Corning is located. :/ Of course the city of Corning itself may have some different opportunities (Market St. shopping, Wegman's grocery store, and Corning Inc/CMOG come to mind), but it does not exist in a bubble.
You got me curious about educational attainment here, too! So I looked it up....
-12% of Steuben County residents have no high school diploma
-20% have a bachelor's degree
-2% have a "very advanced" degree (defined as MBA, PhD or MD)
Which leaves about 66% of the population with....a high school diploma, probably?
Again, I have no problem with this area. Obviously, I live here! I WILL admit, though, that it is a culture that surprises many. Blue-collar white conservativism is the very evident. People are friendly once you get to know them, but guarded until you do. I won't compare it to other regions of the country, because I think it is kind of unique in many ways! My partner, who is from the midwest, frequently comments that it is really hard to get "in" with people. (Conversely, when we visit his family, I often feel like strangers out there are WAY too familiar too soon!! LOL)
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Actually, ckh...the county I referred to, with the 6.6% unemployment rate and 20% without high speed internet? Is Steuben County, where Corning is located. :/ Of course the city of Corning itself may have some different opportunities (Market St. shopping, Wegman's grocery store, and Corning Inc/CMOG come to mind), but it does not exist in a bubble.
You got me curious about educational attainment here, too! So I looked it up....
-12% of Steuben County residents have no high school diploma
-20% have a bachelor's degree
-2% have a "very advanced" degree (defined as MBA, PhD or MD)
Which leaves about 66% of the population with....a high school diploma, probably?
Again, I have no problem with this area. Obviously, I live here! I WILL admit, though, that it is a culture that surprises many. Blue-collar white conservativism is the very evident. People are friendly once you get to know them, but guarded until you do. I won't compare it to other regions of the country, because I think it is kind of unique in many ways! My partner, who is from the midwest, frequently comments that it is really hard to get "in" with people. (Conversely, when we visit his family, I often feel like strangers out there are WAY too familiar too soon!! LOL)
Hey I'm from Schuyler county! I can vouch for your perspective there.
How easy it is to get in with folks also depends on who you are meeting and who you are. I've met a lot of very stand-offish Midwesterners as well as many easy going northeasterners. In fact I could introduce you to many people from here who will talk your ear off on the first meeting; sometimes to the point of wishing a bus would run you over. haha
Actually, ckh...the county I referred to, with the 6.6% unemployment rate and 20% without high speed internet? Is Steuben County, where Corning is located. :/ Of course the city of Corning itself may have some different opportunities (Market St. shopping, Wegman's grocery store, and Corning Inc/CMOG come to mind), but it does not exist in a bubble.
You got me curious about educational attainment here, too! So I looked it up....
-12% of Steuben County residents have no high school diploma
-20% have a bachelor's degree
-2% have a "very advanced" degree (defined as MBA, PhD or MD)
Which leaves about 66% of the population with....a high school diploma, probably?
Again, I have no problem with this area. Obviously, I live here! I WILL admit, though, that it is a culture that surprises many. Blue-collar white conservativism is the very evident. People are friendly once you get to know them, but guarded until you do. I won't compare it to other regions of the country, because I think it is kind of unique in many ways! My partner, who is from the midwest, frequently comments that it is really hard to get "in" with people. (Conversely, when we visit his family, I often feel like strangers out there are WAY too familiar too soon!! LOL)
Good info and I'm not too surprised, given the county's more rural/small town character. Corning Inc is likely where a good portion of those with at least a Bachelors degree work. Corning CC and maybe the campuses in Alfred have employees that live in the county and fit within that category.
@CookieSkoon, I actually know what you mean, as I noticed some of this in MI and NY in terms of people being standoffish or open towards new people.
I think that some posters misinterpreted what I meant when I used the phrase "poor and uneducated" to describe the people living in the rural areas of NY and PA. I didn't mean it as a put down but as just descriptive. It's just a reality of living in rural areas that aren't close to decent sized metros with many more job opportunities for people with good educations. It's also a reality that most jobs available in most rural communities pay less than in bigger metros. The disparities in income and education are going to influence the culture of an area, and that may be a culture shock to newcomers.
Some general stats:
US : HS grads: 86%, BA or better: 28.8%
NY: HS grads: 85%, BA or better: 33.2%
Allegany County, NY: BA or better: 18.9%
Cattaraugus County, NY: BA or better: 17.2%
Steuben County, NY: BA or better: 20.8%
Erie County, NY: BA or better: 30.9% (Buffalo)
PA: HS grads: 88.7%, BA or better: 27.5%
Bradford County, PA: BA or better: 17.1%
Clarion County, PA: BA or better: 18.5%
Elk County, PA: PA: BA or better: 14.9%
Forest County, PA BA or better:7.8%
Allegheny County, PA: BA or better: 35.9% (Pittsburgh)
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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I think that some posters misinterpreted what I meant when I used the phrase "poor and uneducated" to describe the people living in the rural areas of NY and PA. I didn't mean it as a put down but as just descriptive. It's just a reality of living in rural areas that aren't close to decent sized metros with many more job opportunities for people with good educations. It's also a reality that most jobs available in most rural communities pay less than in bigger metros. The disparities in income and education are going to influence the culture of an area, and that may be a culture shock to newcomers.
Some general stats:
US : HS grads: 86%, BA or better: 28.8%
NY: HS grads: 85%, BA or better: 33.2%
Allegany County, NY: BA or better: 18.9%
Cattaraugus County, NY: BA or better: 17.2%
Steuben County, NY: BA or better: 20.8%
Erie County, NY: BA or better: 30.9% (Buffalo)
PA: HS grads: 88.7%, BA or better: 27.5%
Bradford County, PA: BA or better: 17.1%
Clarion County, PA: BA or better: 18.5%
Elk County, PA: PA: BA or better: 14.9%
Forest County, PA BA or better:7.8%
Allegheny County, PA: BA or better: 35.9% (Pittsburgh)
Fair enough. I think I see what you mean.
For future reference I believe "less educated" would be a better descriptor to use over "uneducated". There really isn't a place in the modern mainland US where anybody of able body is entirely uneducated. What with the laws forcing kids to school and all.
Well said Cookie. Education shouldn't be so strictly defined by formal schooling. True education is defined by attitude and continues well beyond school. Education can be as simple as research via internet, social interaction, experimentation, reading, etc. My real-life, on-the-job education dwarfs anything I done learned in school. But Linda, I get what you're saying, I probably was a bit overboard in my prior message.
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Well said Cookie. Education shouldn't be so strictly defined by formal schooling. True education is defined by attitude and continues well beyond school. Education can be as simple as research via internet, social interaction, experimentation, reading, etc. My real-life, on-the-job education dwarfs anything I done learned in school. But Linda, I get what you're saying, I probably was a bit overboard in my prior message.
Aye.
Most of my knowledge, including grammar, has come from my own research or friends during my adult life.
We're in NEPA and considering a move to Upstate NY. We were looking at the Upstate area before we settled here. Snow was a major deciding factor then. We're still on the fence, but we need more options for schools at this point.
We're in NEPA and considering a move to Upstate NY. We were looking at the Upstate area before we settled here. Snow was a major deciding factor then. We're still on the fence, but we need more options for schools at this point.
What are you looking for in regards to a community/location?
We're in NEPA and considering a move to Upstate NY. We were looking at the Upstate area before we settled here. Snow was a major deciding factor then. We're still on the fence, but we need more options for schools at this point.
What about small towns with a college, given your concern in another thread? Perhaps a place like Hamilton or Aurora may fit.
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