crime in cities in upstate new york

[SlickRick1]

garmin239 is absolutely right about what he said. Murders have been dipping since the 90's which the early 90's saw unheard of records. The early 90's saw the highest crime rates in the country, thus, the rates have never been that high since. An almanac will give you this information. In nyc in 1990 there were about 2600 recorded murders. That is not to count those unsolved or never counted. Since that time, New york hasnt recorded more than 700 in a decade. The same is true for all cities in this country. no city will ever record that many murders again. It was due in part to the epidemic of crack cocaine. Thats when Buffalo and Rochester's murder rates were in the nineties, but once again have dropped off significantly since the early ninety's. In the last decade Rochester has recorded as few as thirty something in one year and Buffalo I think was in the fourties. Last year was an increase for Buffalo. I think they recorded 74, which was about twenty more than the previous year. They will average between fifty and eighty a year. Also the spike in crime has a lot to do with the criminals getting out of prisons. The murder rate in NYC lowered for a number of reasons. First they started putting cops on every corner. Added cops to the police force. Fought against corruption and worked on quality of life issues like graffiti, vandalism and blight which has proved to cut down on more serious crime. These are all tactics that Guilliani created. Thus this model of reducing crime has now been implemented in other places like LA and I think Chicago is now following suit. Oh and by the way having cameras on corners where there was once a lot of drug activity has helped as well. The biggest reason though for this drop is that the crack epidemic has finally leveled off, or atleast the violence associated with it has. Overall this country has significantly less murders than ten to fifteen years ago, and if anyone disputes this they need nothing more than to look at an almanac. However, this is not to say that some areas, (especially some cities in the south) have remained the same regarding their murder rate. One in particular has even gotten worse that is New Orleans, but their murder rate increased after Hurricane Katrina, this is because of the police force being all but nearly wiped out and vandals as well as many other socioeconomic reasons.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by SlickRick1

garmin239 is absolutely right about what he said. Murders have been dipping since the 90's which the early 90's saw unheard of records. The early 90's saw the highest crime rates in the country, thus, the rates have never been that high since. An almanac will give you this information. In nyc in 1990 there were about 2600 recorded murders. That is not to count those unsolved or never counted. Since that time, New york hasnt recorded more than 700 in a decade. The same is true for all cities in this country. no city will ever record that many murders again. It was due in part to the epidemic of crack cocaine. Thats when Buffalo and Rochester's murder rates were in the nineties, but once again have dropped off significantly since the early ninety's. In the last decade Rochester has recorded as few as thirty something in one year and Buffalo I think was in the fourties. Last year was an increase for Buffalo. I think they recorded 74, which was about twenty more than the previous year. They will average between fifty and eighty a year. Also the spike in crime has a lot to do with the criminals getting out of prisons. The murder rate in NYC lowered for a number of reasons. First they started putting cops on every corner. Added cops to the police force. Fought against corruption and worked on quality of life issues like graffiti, vandalism and blight which has proved to cut down on more serious crime. These are all tactics that Guilliani created. Thus this model of reducing crime has now been implemented in other places like LA and I think Chicago is now following suit. Oh and by the way having cameras on corners where there was once a lot of drug activity has helped as well. The biggest reason though for this drop is that the crack epidemic has finally leveled off, or atleast the violence associated with it has. Overall this country has significantly less murders than ten to fifteen years ago, and if anyone disputes this they need nothing more than to look at an almanac. However, this is not to say that some areas, (especially some cities in the south) have remained the same regarding their murder rate. One in particular has even gotten worse that is New Orleans, but their murder rate increased after Hurricane Katrina, this is because of the police force being all but nearly wiped out and vandals as well as many other socioeconomic reasons.

it's population is only two thirds of what it was before Katrina. Hence, the reason why the rate has gone up. Less people in a population, even if the amount of crime is the same, makes the rate go up. That's why rates can even be deceptive because many cities in the Northeast and Midwest are losing people to the suburbs or to other regions of the country, while the amount of crime might actullay be about the same. For instance, I looked at info. that showed that Syracuse averaged 15 homicides from 1985-2005, but people act like crime has gotten worse here. We had only 12 last year, but because the population has dipped to just below 140,000, it makes the rate higher than in the past. Keep in mind, Syracuse had about 164,000 in 1990 and about 147,000 in 2000.

[SlickRick1]

NO offense but I dont think Oktarn really knows what he is talking about. I lived in both cities Buffalo and Pittsburh and I can honestly say that Buffalo is much worse. I lived in Bloomfield in Pittsburgh and there were nice areas all over Pittsburgh and the way Pittsburgh is set up it seems much less. Pittsburgh is set up like little small towns. The hill district is probably the worse and it is very small. YOu could put fifteen of that area in the east side alone. Buffalo is much more grittier, violent, and dirty. I would walk just about anywhere in Pittsburgh, yet Buffalo I would avoid most of the areas. Let me drop you off somewhere on fillmore or jefferson or bailey on the east side and walk home. good luck. Overall Pittsburgh has many nice areas outside of their little town ghetto areas, and Buffalo with the exception of a few small areas is almost all Ghetto. Pittsburh has had one bad year two years ago but most other years the murder rate was very low. On the other hand Buffalo is always fairly high throughout the years with just a few good years. I dont think you have ever been to Buffalo or Pittsburgh for that matter.

[SlickRick1]

garmin239 is so right about everything he said. He seems to have the same statistics as I do. He clearly knows what he is talking about, because I too study this and I know what I am talking about. Please people if your gonna argue facts, at least know what your arguing about.

[SlickRick1]

Good point ckhthankgod about the statistics in population loss. New Orleans is a good example but still my assessment is accurrate.
But also the city statistics of Syracuse might drop 10 to 15,ooo however these people are usually going into the suburbs so that can also be skewed a bit leaving people thinking an overall area is worse when in actuallity it is about the same. Syracuse's average is about fifteen murders a year.

[SlickRick1]

Wow, MikeGerard did you pull your statistics out of a hat. To say that South Central La alone had 1100 murders, seriously dude your tripping. South Central only has 400, 000 people. That would be a murder rate of oh, 250-270 for every hundred thousand. Never happened. LA metro as a whole might have had that many back then in the killing 90's, but you couldnt be any more wrong with your statistics. LA metro as a whole now only gets about 4 to 5 hundred a year. To say that just 12 to 13 percent of LA got twice that is not just laughable but prescription time. Need meds. NY has the record for most murders in a year in 1990 which will never be surpassed. The reason it will never be surpassed is because cities have learned better techniques and methods of cracking down on crime. And not to mention NYC is at least twice the population of anyother city. Plus the crack epidemic is over. 1100 at that time sounds about right for LA as a whole, not just one little area of LA...Besides LA violence is overhyped. Chicago was the first city to ever surpass NY in murders, which was two years ago. They had a few more than NY, which was slightly over 600. Take into consideration that NYC has been posting record lows year after year in the last decade. In fact, since NYC was beat for the first time in America's history, The mayor of Chicago sought out the Mayor of NYC to copy their strategy for reducing crime. New York is the front runner in creating and setting up crime reduction methods. Now cities like Chicago and I think LA are copying NY's crime reduction model. I am not gonna describe every method NY used to reduce crime, but I will say that they put a cop on every block in the last ten years. Its hard to commit and get away from murder when there is a cop within a hundred yards. They also watched for trends in crime and pounded areas in which crime was increasing with thousands of cops. However, once again these are just to effective methods NY used and they implemented many more. By the way In 1990 NYC posted over 2500 murders, not to mention all the bodies in the Hudson or anywhere else for that matter not found. NY has always been corrupt and they will reduce murders to manslaughter and so on to skew the statistics. In my educated estimate, I would say NY had over 3000 back in 1990. If you dont believe me go to any almanac in the year 1990 and you will get your stats. Remember New Jack City, that movie was real indicitive of what NYC was at that time. Now NYC gets a mere fraction of murders that they once had. They now get about 25% of what they once had. That is why people talk about how safe NY is, but dont get this twisted NY for the most part will almost (except for one year in the history of this great country) always get more murders than any other city just based on size alone. NY is still not the country club like they would have you believe. If you mess with the wrong person in the wrong area you could wind up dead...

[ckhthankgod]

Here are some crime rate stats from 2006:United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

United States cities by crime rate (100,000 - 250,000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

United States cities by crime rate (60,000-100,000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

United States cities by crime rate (40,000 - 60,000 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

[ckhthankgod]

and some more information:Table 8 (New York) - Crime in the United States 2006

[jrice]

Originally Posted by Muggy

This is worth repeating: the crime in Rochester is predictable and avoidable. These are specific types of people in specific neighborhoods getting killed.

I really wish every person from Buf/Roc/Syr could imagine what crime in Florida is like; they would never worry about crime in upstate cities again.

I agree with you, I am moving back to Syracuse from Las Vegas and I would walk down any street in Syracuse at 3am as opposed to doing that in Vegas. Never in my life have I heard gun shots fired in anger until I moved to Las Vegas, and our final straw was a shooting 1 block up from our house in Vegas (in a well regarded middle class neighborhood).