Wind Turbines for Sullivan County Catskills (New York, Ridge: property taxes, house, rent)

[Jason_Els]

Paging BovinaCowHateWindTurbines!

Well, well. Guess it was a matter of time. I suspect that Sullivan, being as broke as it is, will go for the idea. Let's see what happens...

Three-hundred-foot wind turbines in Sullivan County? Some Sullivan officials are already talking about it to Empire State Wind Energy LLC, which is going to send "wind prospectors" armed with wind-flow gauges to ridges in the Callicoon-Fremont-Rockland area.

But unlike other new energy projects raising hackles across the state, a Sullivan County wind farm is being carefully studied. Way before any turbines even get manufactured, this proposal would have to include all the community stakeholders and be worth it to locals, or it's no go, says Callicoon Supervisor Gregg Semenetz.

The payoff for taxpayers could be big, adds Semenetz. "Initial calculations are for at least $700,000 a year as the local share from maybe 10 wind turbines between Callicoon and Fremont." More detailed numbers are up in the air right now.

Semenetz does caution that "Empire has not done any wind studies on specific sites."

But Empire State Wind Energy President Keith Pitman says Sullivan's "got a pocket of wind" his company could turn into fossil-free, highly efficient alternative energy for the state power grid. The grid now gets power from a mix of coal, oil, nuclear and alternative electricity sources. [article continues] -Times Herald-Record

[BovinaCowHateWindTurbines]

Just gave it a quick read but the major thing that stands out is that the community is being given a chance to review the proposal which is quite different than how it's done elsewhere. Generally most communities never have an idea or get a choice or voice an opinion on any of these proposals. Seems to be a grass roots effort to get them in - let's see if that is the majority of the towns opinion.

And the payout seems high for 10 turbines, probably based on a best case if the wind average was 13-16 miles a hour every year forever.. It would have been nice if the article had a realistic photo instead of that 40ft windmill. I guess it depends on where they will put them if they community as a whole more or less are for them. I will check out what else I can find. Got to have coffee before battling the wind mills... Maybe someone form the area has more insight.

Thanks Jason.

After another read the height of the turbines will be 320 with a 120 ft blade so 440 ft total height at the highest point of blade rotation. Bigger than Tug hill I believe. The article has the usual puff and fluff about saving the planet ad nausea propaganda.

[Jason_Els]

Originally Posted by BovinaCowHateWindTurbines

Just gave it a quick read but the major thing that stands out is that the community is being given a chance to review the proposal which is quite different than how it's done elsewhere. Generally most communities never have an idea or get a choice or voice an opinion on any of these proposals. Seems to be a grass roots effort to get them in - let's see if that is the majority of the towns opinion.

And the payout seems high for 10 turbines, probably based on a best case if the wind average was 13-16 miles a hour every year forever.. It would have been nice if the article had a realistic photo instead of that 40ft windmill. I guess it depends on where they will put them if they community as a whole more or less are for them. I will check out what else I can find. Got to have coffee before battling the wind mills... Maybe someone form the area has more insight.

Thanks Jason.

After another read the height of the turbines will be 320 with a 120 ft blade so 440 ft total height at the highest point of blade rotation. Bigger than Tug hill I believe. The article has the usual puff and fluff about saving the planet ad nausea propaganda.

Yeah, they're very tall. Looking at the New York wind map, there doesn't seem to be too many areas to build this far downstate (excluding Long Island). None of the towns listed have much going for them and won't have any of the casinos that are expected to help boost the area. Property taxes in Sullivan are very high as nearly half the county land is owned by tax-exempt not-for-profits. Scam or not, I expect the population to jump on this enthusiastically.

Welcome to the usual reporting style of the TH Record. If a story doesn't tug at one's heartstrings in some manner then they don't print it. It's a dreadful paper that only muckrakes easy stories, like going after some 80+ year old Junior Soprano type who lives in the area, or doesn't bother investigating beyond what its told. The editorial content is no better. It's part of the Dow Jones group and now that Murdoch is all but the Key Master, I don't expect this Minion of Gozer to improve.

[BovinaCowHateWindTurbines]

Just got back from a errand in Roxbury and went through Stamford. Every other house has a "Yes to Clean Energy" picture of turbine on it, or "Say No to Wind Energy" with a Save our Mountains sign next to it. This is pretty recent and I assume after Invenergy had it's little party a couple weeks and gave out free signs. Now the towns are literally flooded with Yes for and across the street No against. The people against have to donate 10 dollars for theirs. And some people even found room on their porch for one! All Yes.

Unreal how the town is being divided neighbor against neighbor. You go through town and everyone has a sign Yes, Yes, No, Yes, No, No - terrible divisiveness no matter how you feel about the subject. Those wounds will never heal.

I will be back through there next week and I am going to takes pictures of all the signs - and they mountain range that is targeted to show how these LLC slime balls operate. As long as they get paid and go back to their McMansions, and a new Hummer lease their fine... After all their saving the Planet by destroying Upstate mountains ranges one town at a time.

[looking4home]

It's very sad to see how the new "tin men" are selling false promises upstate to vulnerable, economically-depressed areas. It's also sad to see otherwise intellignet people being taken in by the promises and rhetoric of "clean energy". Sad.

[BovinaCowHateWindTurbines]

Here is more info I found on Sullivan

Sullivan County Democrat: Wind Power Promises New Funds For Towns

[BovinaCowHateWindTurbines]

Originally Posted by looking4home

It's very sad to see how the new "tin men" are selling false promises upstate to vulnerable, economically-depressed areas. It's also sad to see otherwise intelligent people being taken in by the promises and rhetoric of "clean energy". Sad.

It is a decent sales pitch for sure - the tin men are trying to say well if not us then worse tin men.

"If no solution's found to greenhouse gas pollution it "will kill far more birds than wind turbines," says Audubon."

www.windaction.org | Maple Ridge Wind Power Avian and Bat Fatality Study Year One Report FINAL REPORT

Maple Ridge the largest "wind farm" in Upstate, NY has 10,000 + bird and bat mortality (dead birds+bats) every year - if that is one consideration. Let alone... Hug all the trees you can as the turbines are erected to the tune of 40,000 trees felled - and all the wildlife is I guess killed off - there are other critters that live out there as well.

Ok you make the choice: Birds or no Birds? Those birds are a dangerous creatures as I assumed when I first saw this movie.
YouTube - The Birds trailer (Alfred Hitchcock)