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Another thing people don't realize is that property taxes in TX are about the same as many Upstate NY counties, if not more. So, even the cost of living aspect isn't as cut and dry either.
But TX has a much better job situation, including a better manufacturing base at this point.
I know about the economy there and it is pretty much the only high population state that is doing fine in that regard in comparitive terms. Outside of the Plains states and even including them, it probably has the best economy. I believe a poster in the Buffalo forum stated that TX has some troubles as well in terms of economics too. So, all might not be well there.
My point was that property taxes there can be just as high, if not higher than some counties here in Upstate NY.
I know about the economy there and it is pretty much the only high population state that is doing fine in that regard in comparitive terms. Outside of the Plains states and even including them, it probably has the best economy. I believe a poster in the Buffalo forum stated that TX has some troubles as well in terms of economics too. So, all might not be well there.
My point was that property taxes there can be just as high, if not higher than some counties here in Upstate NY.
But Texas still wins on that front with no income taxes, and a lower sales tax.
So, how do they make that money up? What about highway tax, vehicle tax or other fees and costs? What about quality of services?
They have a leaner government devoid of overpaid state workers. They also spend less on medicaid than NYS, which is the highest medicaid spender in the country.
Despite what organizations like the AFT and NYSUT would like to preach, spending more pupil does not = a better education. It does, however, lead to well-paid union leaders and teachers.
At some point, you have to strike a balance between services and reasonable taxation and spending. New York has gone too far on the spending side, and there are so many powerful union lobbies in Albany that are used to their cut. The only way they get that "cut" is by raising taxes on private businesses who work in NYS. A lot of those businesses have become fed up the situation and left for greener pastures in the south.
It's pretty much why places like Rochester, Buffalo, and Syracuse are floundering while places like Austin, TX, Dallas, TX, Raleigh, NC etc are doing well, and why most of the new manufacturing in this country has opened in states like AL, MS, SC, TN, KY and TX.
In NY, you get "services" and welfare. In places like TX, you get JOBS.
They have a leaner government devoid of overpaid state workers. They also spend less on medicaid than NYS, which is the highest medicaid spender in the country.
Despite what organizations like the AFT and NYSUT would like to preach, spending more pupil does not = a better education. It does, however, lead to well-paid union leaders and teachers.
At some point, you have to strike a balance between services and reasonable taxation and spending. New York has gone too far on the spending side, and there are so many powerful union lobbies in Albany that are used to their cut. The only way they get that "cut" is by raising taxes on private businesses who work in NYS. A lot of those businesses have become fed up the situation and left for greener pastures in the south.
It's pretty much why places like Rochester, Buffalo, and Syracuse are floundering while places like Austin, TX, Dallas, TX, Raleigh, NC etc are doing well, and why most of the new manufacturing in this country has opened in states like AL, MS, SC, TN, KY and TX.
In NY, you get "services" and welfare. In places like TX, you get JOBS.
Perhaps, but industry is going overseas, forget going to southern states.
Texas is doing well mainly due to the energy industry right now. So, they have had their times of booms and busts.
I agree that taxes should be lowered, but also, you have to look at what you get with lower taxes as well. You also have to look at aspects in terms of quality of life.
As for the topic, I don't think it is a matter of becoming two states as it it is a matter of Upstate NY looking at consolidation of services and government at some levels.
Also, at what cost are these Southern cities doing well? Meaning, what about the corporate welfare that they shell out to attract businesses? There are also increases in taxes in those states too. So, when does it end for them?
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I agree that taxes should be lowered, but also, you have to look at what you get with lower taxes as well. You also have to look at aspects in terms of quality of life.
You get the quality of determining how best to spend your own $$, rather than having NYS make that decision for you.
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As for the topic, I don't think it is a matter of becoming two states as it it is a matter of Upstate NY looking at consolidation of services and government at some levels.
Upstate NY has lost too much population to do otherwise. It has to consolidate, or else services will continue to cost even more than they should.
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Also, at what cost are these Southern cities doing well? Meaning, what about the corporate welfare that they shell out to attract businesses? There are also increases in taxes in those states too. So, when does it end for them?
The taxes don't go up nearly as fast, because the government knows how to keep a lid on the budget. New York on the other hand doesn't know how to do anything else except spend. The most recent budget increased spending 9%, at a time where there is very little inflation in the whole country.
And by attracting those corporations, you get real job creation. In places like syracuse and rochester, the only drivers of job creation are education and healthcare. Syracuse's two biggest employers are SUNY Upstate and SU.
Manufacturing is faltering left and right, and that just reduces the economic output and spectrum of the community.
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Nah, Really? Of course it will be and that is just common sense, but that still doesn't discount the fact that much of the manufacturing here in the US has gone to foreign countries. I know of examples in NY where the manufacturing went to Mexico and Canada, as well as China.
Nah, Really? Of course it will be and that is just common sense, but that still doesn't discount the fact that much of the manufacturing here in the US has gone to foreign countries. I know of examples in NY where the manufacturing went to Mexico and Canada, as well as China.
sure, but when they want to stay domestically, they look at southern, right-to-work states, not places like NY, MI or OH. Plenty of auto-manufacturing is going on in this country in new plants as I posted before.
A good example of manufacturing that left upstate NY for the south is Carrier corp. in syracuse which has sent plenty of jobs down south, even as recently as last year down to TN. The funny thing is, those workers are only making $4 less an hour. It's not just the unions in NY, it's the entire tax structure. It's cheaper for a company to go down south and pay the same or even better wages to workers because the government take less of their profit at the end of the day.
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