Divide New York into Two States? (Albany, Liberty: real estate, 2011, condo)

[I'minformed2]

hahahahaha....Manhattan the poorest place in NY...that's rich (pardon the ironic pun). You have just lost all credibility.

[garmin239]

You can't compare New York county to other counties since NY county only consists of Manhattan. Of course if you compare 1 city to another city along with its suburbs, the lone with without the suburbs will have the higher poverty rate. If you compare Manhattan and its suburbs with other NY cities and its suburbs the poverty levels are much higher in the other places.

[oktaren]

Originally Posted by Jdawg8181

This is all well & good but most people do not have jobs in healthcare and/or ministry. I work in the entertainment field- upstate has a severe lack of jobs in that field- and jobs, in general.

There aren't a ton of jobs in western new york, but there isn't a severe lack of them. They don't pay as much as in other parts of the country, but its also a lot cheaper there.

[oktaren]

as to the original question, yes, please do.

[BuffaloTransplant]

Originally Posted by aka_mouse

hahaha.. are you kidding me ?

New York county is MANHATTAN.


You are wrong.

Mouse, I bet 70% of the people here ( everyone on the boards other than NYC and LI residents or those who come from there) have no clue that NYC is 5 full counties.

For their benefit:
Manhattan is New York County
Brooklyn in Kings County
Queens is Queens County
Staten Island is Richmond County
the Bronx is Bronx county

Brooklyn was a city by itself until the very late 1800s. Queens joined NYC before Brooklyn did.

[BuffaloTransplant]

Originally Posted by londonbarcelona

Sure, divide it into two states, but gives us back our money. WNY has always helped support NYC and we have never been given anything in return for it.

What would NYC do if the power from Niagara Falls was cut off? I remember vividly the blackout in 1964/or/65... days for the city to get back online. What tripped? a breaker in Niagara Falls.

And here in WNY, I get my power from an electric utility in Binghampton (NYSEG) who buys it from the Kinzua Dam... while the lines to niagara Falls run 5 miles from here... heading to NYC. No logic in it.

[londonbarcelona]

Originally Posted by BuffaloTransplant

What would NYC do if the power from Niagara Falls was cut off? I remember vividly the blackout in 1964/or/65... days for the city to get back online. What tripped? a breaker in Niagara Falls.

And here in WNY, I get my power from an electric utility in Binghampton (NYSEG) who buys it from the Kinzua Dam... while the lines to niagara Falls run 5 miles from here... heading to NYC. No logic in it.

Perhaps I didn't make my last post clear. I feel Buffalo should be given back all the money they have sent down to NYC! It appears to me that Buffalo is always financing some new project in NYC while nothing is done about the WNY area.

[I'minformed2]

Originally Posted by BuffaloTransplant

Mouse, I bet 70% of the people here ( everyone on the boards other than NYC and LI residents or those who come from there) have no clue that NYC is 5 full counties.

For their benefit:
Manhattan is New York County
Brooklyn in Kings County
Queens is Queens County
Staten Island is Richmond County
the Bronx is Bronx county

Brooklyn was a city by itself until the very late 1800s. Queens joined NYC before Brooklyn did.

I think most of us knew that...I know I did. Each borough has it's own county that it comprises the entireity of.

[chrisruns2far]

I have lived in Upstate NY, Colorado, Washington and Oregon and each one of these states has many folks who would like to see their states cut in half. The universal problem is that the portions of each of those states with the largest population centers seem to get the majority of attention from the state governments. Oregon (where I live now) and NY (where we will be moving to to help and be with family) are similar in the 'two state' regard. Oregon has an Eastside vs. Westside divide with the Cascade Mountains acting like a blockade for state funds and invesment coming into the Eastern two-thirds of the state, much like downstate NY getting the spoils and Central and Western NY getting the occaisional attention of state government. I'm aware that state partitioning will most likely never happen, but I feel that we can all make our state governments more across the state representative by re-working the framework of government towards equal representation. BTW, I feel that our mis-guided, corporate driven trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, China, etc.) have adversily affected Upstate NY more so than any other region in the Unites States. Fundementally changing trade policies is as good of place as any to stop the bleeding of the middle class and enhance the economic vitality of Western and Central NY. Upstate NY's problems are often bigger than what the state can provide or propose, the root cause lies in the fact that the line between the Federal Government and Corporations has been dissolved to the point where they are one in the same.

[oktaren]

Originally Posted by BuffaloTransplant

What would NYC do if the power from Niagara Falls was cut off? I remember vividly the blackout in 1964/or/65... days for the city to get back online. What tripped? a breaker in Niagara Falls.

And here in WNY, I get my power from an electric utility in Binghampton (NYSEG) who buys it from the Kinzua Dam... while the lines to niagara Falls run 5 miles from here... heading to NYC. No logic in it.

agreed, i feel the same way about the power plants in chautauqua county.