dont move to utica ny (New York, Niagara Falls: sale, crimes, theater)

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by amgor863

Most of NY state has been depressed for years. This is nothing. Wait till all the budget cut go through... Btw, I'm surprised that folks from NYC would move up for welfare. Would they have even heard of Utica. No offense. I'm guessing they had relatives up that way and just eventually came back. Ore one went up and all followed. Btw, there are lots of people from upstate and the rest of the US working in NYC or here, looking for work or bitching when they finally find a "New York" job and it doesn't pay 60k... As a result, natives can't get work. Hmmmm, maybe they are the welfare people moving upstate. hahahah just joking.

Huh?

[Polish & Italian]

I moved out of Utica years ago, but to this day it is allways home. But for you to sit there and b*tch about white people moving out to better things... Moderator cut: inappropriate you... so, if everyone in Utica is a crackhead... im guessing Moderator cut: inappropriate ?? Maybe you should lay off that Moderator cut: inappropriate bc it makes you sound Moderator cut: offensive !!!

[Polish & Italian]

Moderator cut: personal attack Im from Utica and most of my family lives and none of us are on crack. Moderator cut: personal attack Or if you wish you can continue to Moderator cut: offensive !!

[RS085]

Originally Posted by gem1122

Thanks for reminding us all how fortunate we are to have NYC to make our sad, measly lives better. Jeez, I don't know what I would do if I couldn't make it down to that crime-ridden, crowded, pollution-spouting mecca! Thank goodness we have NYC to raise us up from the hopelessness of living quiet, simple lives among nature and a few good friends!

Its the other way around bo.

Percentage-wise, upstate cities like Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo have worse crime rates than NYC.

Please, leave your 1970's and 80's NYC references (obviously the last time you were there) in your trailer.

Downtalking the most important city in the world (which is in YOUR own backyard) is just ignorant, and NYC has every right to be arrogant about it, because honestly, what does upstate bring to the table besides snow, arrested cultural development, unemployment, and an annoying accent?

God forbid you join the 21st century.

[Elizabeth1105]

Originally Posted by RS085

what does upstate bring to the table besides snow, arrested cultural development, unemployment, and an annoying accent?

Umm, I believe upstate provides much of city's natural resources. I think that's one thing to bring to the table.

[Jeromeville]

Nobody from NYC ought to be bragging right about now... not only did Wall Street screw everything up for the rest of us, but the NYC standard of living is about to plummet like a stone.

Pride goeth before a fall...

[RS085]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth1105

Umm, I believe upstate provides much of city's natural resources. I think that's one thing to bring to the table.

Yeah around the Catskills.

(thats.. about.. it)

[RS085]

Originally Posted by Jeromeville

Nobody from NYC ought to be bragging right about now... not only did Wall Street screw everything up for the rest of us, but the NYC standard of living is about to plummet like a stone.

Pride goeth before a fall...

How is the recession solely NYC's fault?


I wonder if you were complaining in the 90s.

[Jeromeville]

I wonder if you were complaining in the 90s.

If I understood what your point was with that comment, I'd respond. We didn't have any economic boom up here in the '90s at all, if that's what you're getting at.

[goldengrain]

Concerning the crime, this may be a factor:

I have read that the NYCity police force was very corrupt prior to 911. On 911 there were a huge number of federal agents who moved in, some undercover whom the police did not even know about.
Police crime was found out and tracked. Older police were given an opportunity to retire, some were brought to trial. New cops were hired and trained.

All of this activity discouraged the drug gangs, so they left the city and moved upstate. Small towns with police forces completely untrained to handle drug gangs were both overpowered and also found their smaller salaries boosted by the drug payoffs.

So now NYC is a pretty decent place to live in, crime-wise and the suburbs upstate are overburdoned with drug crime and corrupt police.

Mexico is a country ruled by competing gangs. The police, army, government, etc, - all are getting kickbacks from someone's drug sales.

The US used to be their biggest market.

Remember when the CIA was caught running drugs into the US to finance black ops?
I suppose our government can do whatever it wishes, but the competitors have been stifled when the wall went up to prevent illegal aliens from entering the country.

The drugs backed up right at the border and the price went down for these drugs in Mexico, creating a lot more addicts.

Then there are those border towns in which US industry moved to get cheap Mexican labor. There was no infrastructure for these working families. Kids from those families see more money being made in the drug world and do not wish to grow up replacing their poor hard working parents in those US factories.

To my thinking it is the profit made by drugs that is the corrupting influence. I think drugs should be legalized. I don't think we would have any more addicts than we now do and all the money wasted in prisons and police and robberies, etc, could be funneled into rehab clinics and society would still be ahead of the game financially with the added benefit of having uncorrupted cops and politicians and safer neighborhoods and kids with more incentive to stay in school and learn.

Remember that our government did not allow press photos of the caskets coming back from the war in Iraq the way they did in Viet Nam? Reporters said it was because of the impact on the public of pictures of the dead soldiers.
Remember when a plane coming back from Iraq with caskets crashed and reporters went to the sight and one of the caskets had broken open and there was no body inside it, but drugs?
Makes a person wonder about the holier-than-thou protests of people in government when they say legalizing drugs would be immoral from their pedistals and soap boxes.

If you think about it, our society, particularly for poor people, would become much safer and harmonious without drug pushers. Police could be relied on to do their jobs. How many times do we hear of neighborhoods where people are constantly reporting open drug sales on their streets to police and the police do nothing? We hear of citizens taking pictures, etc, and the only thing that happens is some repurcussions against the citizen. Kids get shot down walking to school.

People in Mexico say only God can help them beause there is no authority to which to turn that is not corrupt. Lawyers who try to do the right thing in the courts are killed.

Drugs are so deep in our society that they are eating up a great deal of our tax dollars and we know the 'just say no' campaign has not worked. Just how much oversight is effective when so many prescriptioned drugs, legitamate, are for sale by pushers? How are these things delivered to dummy warehouses and not traced from there to the drug store and to the consumer?

I don't know. I just know that the system we now have seems to be rife with corruption at every level of government and society. I see Mexico and it scares the heck out of me, becuase with an economic downturn that could easily be us.