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Actually, Downstate generates more dollars, but I think when putting the numbers into perspective(for lack of a better word), the difference isn't as great. I believe that another poster gave examples for this.
Cost of living in lower in Upstate. So, things can vary within the state in that regard.
Downstate generates more dollars but I'd bet that the truth comes out to how upstate pays more in taxes than it reaps in benefits... as in, upstate's dollars pay for upstate and some of downstate, but downstate spends all of its dollars on downstate. At least that's the impression I'm getting from upstaters I've talked with.
Downstate generates more dollars but I'd bet that the truth comes out to how upstate pays more in taxes than it reaps in benefits... as in, upstate's dollars pay for upstate and some of downstate, but downstate spends all of its dollars on downstate. At least that's the impression I'm getting from upstaters I've talked with.
That is not true, as you have to think about where the "money" is in the state. Upstate NY is basically on par with NC economically. So, I don't see how Upstate would pay for Upstate and Downstate, while Upstate pays just for itself. It isn't necessarily cut and dry, but I never understood those sentiments from some people in Upstate NY. Perhaps it may have something to do with property tax rates, but that is due to lower median home values up here as well.
Put another way - what would you tell people such as my wife and myself, about why we should move to New York despite the high taxes? What would we get for our money?
(I didn't see better roads in NY compared to PA. When going back and forth between NY's southern tier and PA's northern tier, it actually seemed that NY's roads were worse! I'd have expected the opposite, given that NY's gas taxes are so high. Property taxes in that area at least seem to be double in NY what they are in PA. Are the schools, police forces, libraries, etc. twice as good in NY as they are in PA?)
So, really - WHY the taxes? What's the point? And if you don't think there's anything you can do about the taxes, why not re-elect nobody and see if you can replace the current state lawmakers with a bunch of new ones who might just allow you to keep more of the money you earn? I really don't get it.
"why we should move to New York despite..."
You shouldn't move! Stay where you are! Period.
WHY the taxes? What's the point?
There is no point. These folks like our money and want it.
Paved roads, snow plowing, schools, good quality of life.
I will add: public libraries; public hospitals; county health departments that provide health clinics, medical services, and monitor water quality; local and state parks; the Adirondak and Catskills Forest Preserves; the State Barge Canal ...
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I will add: public libraries; public hospitals; county health departments that provide health clinics, medical services, and monitor water quality; local and state parks; the Adirondak and Catskills Forest Preserves; the State Barge Canal ...
To this post and the previous one NY is not unique/exclusive to providing any of these services except for the Barge Canal which is exclusive to NY, the difference is the tax burden that is placed on it's residents to have it. Paved roads and libaries, real luxuries...
To this post and the previous one NY is not unique/exclusive to providing any of these services except for the Barge Canal which is exclusive to NY, the difference is the tax burden that is placed on it's residents to have it. Paved roads and libaries, real luxuries...
I would say that the snow plowing, teaching requirements and layers of governing may be different than many places.
I live in NY and I'm not fond of the taxes I'm paying and what the money is always used for but I still love NY, we have beaches, mountains, lakes, parks and a million things to do in NYC from museums, zoos to pro sports, etc.
So I'm curious. When people from out of state look at our taxes and think we're nuts, are you paying significantly lower taxes and still getting paid the same as someone in NY? Because to be honest the people I know that moved to Pennsylvania and down to Florida, Texas and North Carolina are not making what they did in NY? Am I wrong?
Aren't taxes - as a percentage and a burden - actually fairly close to each other from state to state?
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I live in NY and I'm not fond of the taxes I'm paying and what the money is always used for but I still love NY, we have beaches, mountains, lakes, parks and a million things to do in NYC from museums, zoos to pro sports, etc.
So I'm curious. When people from out of state look at our taxes and think we're nuts, are you paying significantly lower taxes and still getting paid the same as someone in NY? Because to be honest the people I know that moved to Pennsylvania and down to Florida, Texas and North Carolina are not making what they did in NY? Am I wrong?
Aren't taxes - as a percentage and a burden - actually fairly close to each other from state to state?
I'll take a shot at this..
Yes, those of us who are out of state look at what you pay in taxes and think your nuts but many if not most of us are from NY (or that region). I for one have a significantly lower tax obligation than the average community in NY. Salaries are different depending on your field but with such a lower COL you have a higher quality of life.
Taxes are not close, a simple example gas jumps $.25 a gallon just by entering NY, cigarettes are $10+ and even more in NYC. Yes smoking is a choice but paying more everything adds up. The average tax obligation in a NY community is $45 per $1K of assesed value here it runs $8-10 per 1k .
We also have beaches, mountains, parks, lakes (a few) just like you, we can go to Washington DC for many of the features NYC provides you but we can go to the museums for free.
Please realise there really is a quality of life.....
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