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12-29-2007, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GlobalTransplant
Thanks for such an insightful comment. I think having a livelihood is far more important than having nice hills or lakes to look at!
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According to DataPlace.org, Here's where Buffalo ranks with other cities as per household income (out of 25,150) :
Rank..... Place..... Average household income last yr ($) 2000 18,991..... Montezuma, IN..... $34,863 18,992..... Ocheyedan, IA..... $34,862 18,993..... Kensal, ND..... $34,861 18,994..... Witt, IL..... $34,860 18,995..... Buffalo, NY..... $34,860 18,996..... Arlington, GA..... $34,856 18,997..... Callicoon, NY..... $34,853 18,998..... Coal Creek, CO..... $34,850 18,999..... Alexandria, MO..... $34,850 19,000..... Iaeger, WV..... $34,846 19,001..... Taylorsville, NC..... $34,846 19,002..... Chinle, AZ..... $34,845 19,003..... Palestine, AR..... $34,844 19,004..... Parkwood, CA..... $34,843 19,005..... Palisade, CO..... $34,842 19,006..... Lilesville, NC..... $34,842 19,007..... Haviland, KS..... $34,839 19,008..... Highlandville, MO..... $34,839 19,009..... Osakis, MN..... $34,839 19,010..... Golden Valley, AZ..... $34,838 19,011..... Rogers, OH..... $34,838 19,012..... Texola, OK..... $34,838 19,013..... Lorenzo, TX..... $34,833 19,014..... Dearing, GA..... $34,832 19,015..... Luana, IA..... $34,831 19,016..... Lyman, NE..... $34,831 19,017..... Bowdle, SD..... $34,830 19,018..... Hartsville, TN..... $34,830 19,019..... Fort Hall, ID..... $34,826 19,020..... Vergennes, IL..... $34,825 As per how places like Buffalo & Rochester compare to other cities in New York State... They're both in the top 10
Rank..... Metropolitan Area..... Average household income last yr ($) 2000 1..... Nassau-Suffolk, NY Metro..... $86,983 2..... Dutchess County, NY Metro..... $65,691 3..... New York, NY Metro..... $63,450 4..... Newburgh, NY Metro..... $61,585 5..... Rochester, NY Metro..... $55,549 6..... Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY Metro..... $54,783 7..... Syracuse, NY Metro..... $50,861 8..... Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY Metro..... $49,535 9..... Glens Falls, NY Metro..... $48,783 10..... Binghamton, NY Metro..... $46,991 Looks to me like our "livelyhood" is right up there as compared with other "livelyhoods"  And we have to hills & lakes to boot.
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12-29-2007, 06:00 PM
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We beat Albany?!? Hell yeah!!!! In your face NYS government, at least one of the oppressed upstate metros can beat you out!
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12-29-2007, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GlobalTransplant
So, your point is that you really DO have to have money to enjoy living there, where you can afford to have hot tubs and nice suburban homes.  |
Tell me a place where you don't have to have money to have nice suburban homes and hot tubs? |
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12-29-2007, 08:41 PM
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"build the walls before ya put the roof on" ~Nomad
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We beat Albany?!? Hell yeah!!!! In your face NYS government, at least one of the oppressed upstate metros can beat you out!
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Sounds like I made your day.  Congradulations are in order. |
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12-29-2007, 08:44 PM
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Talking to be heard~~~
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Yes...i feel so poor in my comfortable suburban home on a street with friendly neighbors who get together and have block parties at least twice every summer. The hot tub I just surprised my wife with..i guess we won't be able to afford to put water in it! We are all living lies here in the suburbs of Rochester and Buffalo. Our well manitained and comfortable homes are really tenament buildings in disguise. We've got like 10 families to each house and we all work as cashiers at Wegmans!!! Oh the misery! Pittsford is really a trailer park on the canal too!!!!
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Wow, iminformed, you really do live in a pathetic part of the world....how pray tell do you stand it? Oh the horror of it all!!!!
(I will now remove my tongue from my cheek) (: |
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12-29-2007, 09:14 PM
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Wow, iminformed, you really do live in a pathetic part of the world....how pray tell do you stand it? Oh the horror of it all!!!!
(I will now remove my tongue from my cheek) (:
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I know right?!!?! I'm thinking of moving to Fellujah. I hear life is so much more worth living there! I know you live in that same horribly depressing place as I do, so you should come too!! What are we thinking? |
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12-30-2007, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by I'minformed2
Tell me a place where you don't have to have money to have nice suburban homes and hot tubs?
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That was my very point! That the rich tend to enjoy the place they live in more, and can enjoy nature's bounty, and given that many in Syracuse are facing poverty, they are unlikely to be raving about it's positive sides.  |
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12-30-2007, 08:44 AM
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Gross wages mean nothing when the state, county, town and SCHOOL DISTRICT taxes most of it away from you. Grunch the same statistics with NET take home wages and I bet you get a whole different number compared to states like FL, NC, MO, WV etc.
FACT: Buffalo is the second poorest city in the USA. You can't do a wage average when many people earn no wages (public welfare payments).
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12-30-2007, 10:53 AM
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You said the streets are never plowed and I posted a picture that they are. You said there's no traffic, I posted a picture of traffic on the 90. You said the sidewalks are not shoveled, I posted a link (from the City of Buffalo) showing who's responsible for that, you say that we're too poor, I posted factual data showing we're not as bad off as the national media pictures us to the entire Country. Since I have kept up with contradicting your negativity of WNY, now you've jumped to school districts and welfare.
I wrote it somewhere here before, but I'll say it again:
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New York’s Medicaid program costs Upstate taxpayers about $1 billion more a year in state and local taxes than it would if it matched the national average per recipient.
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However, when you look at the stats comparing medicaid & assistance to medicaid only, readers get a better understanding of it all.
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July 2007 - September 2007
Erie County:
Medicaid & assistance
Children 8,337 Adults 2,283
Medicaid only
Children 29,125 Adults 11,046
Medicaid Average Monthly Beneficiaries 106,711, and as compared to the quarter prior (April 2007 - June 2007) it was 111,587.
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Exactly what numbers/hard data have you brought to the table, hmm? 
As per school districts, with the exception of Buffalo, all municipalities within Erie County put their school budgets to vote every year. It isn't a shame on the WNY area that here (in this county) the people have the prividge of accepting or declining their own school budget within their own school district by the people's right to vote.
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12-30-2007, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FedupWNY
According to DataPlace.org, Here's where Buffalo ranks with other cities as per household income (out of 25,150) :
Rank..... Place..... Average household income last yr ($) 2000 18,991..... Montezuma, IN..... $34,863 18,992..... Ocheyedan, IA..... $34,862 18,993..... Kensal, ND..... $34,861 18,994..... Witt, IL..... $34,860 18,995..... Buffalo, NY..... $34,860 18,996..... Arlington, GA..... $34,856 18,997..... Callicoon, NY..... $34,853 18,998..... Coal Creek, CO..... $34,850 18,999..... Alexandria, MO..... $34,850 19,000..... Iaeger, WV..... $34,846 19,001..... Taylorsville, NC..... $34,846 19,002..... Chinle, AZ..... $34,845 19,003..... Palestine, AR..... $34,844 19,004..... Parkwood, CA..... $34,843 19,005..... Palisade, CO..... $34,842 19,006..... Lilesville, NC..... $34,842 19,007..... Haviland, KS..... $34,839 19,008..... Highlandville, MO..... $34,839 19,009..... Osakis, MN..... $34,839 19,010..... Golden Valley, AZ..... $34,838 19,011..... Rogers, OH..... $34,838 19,012..... Texola, OK..... $34,838 19,013..... Lorenzo, TX..... $34,833 19,014..... Dearing, GA..... $34,832 19,015..... Luana, IA..... $34,831 19,016..... Lyman, NE..... $34,831 19,017..... Bowdle, SD..... $34,830 19,018..... Hartsville, TN..... $34,830 19,019..... Fort Hall, ID..... $34,826 19,020..... Vergennes, IL..... $34,825 As per how places like Buffalo & Rochester compare to other cities in New York State... They're both in the top 10
Rank..... Metropolitan Area..... Average household income last yr ($) 2000 1..... Nassau-Suffolk, NY Metro..... $86,983 2..... Dutchess County, NY Metro..... $65,691 3..... New York, NY Metro..... $63,450 4..... Newburgh, NY Metro..... $61,585 5..... Rochester, NY Metro..... $55,549 6..... Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY Metro..... $54,783 7..... Syracuse, NY Metro..... $50,861 8..... Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY Metro..... $49,535 9..... Glens Falls, NY Metro..... $48,783 10..... Binghamton, NY Metro..... $46,991 Looks to me like our "livelyhood" is right up there as compared with other "livelyhoods" And we have to hills & lakes to boot. |
The census in 2000 for cities in msa areas Median income:
nyc-nj=$50,795
Rochester, NY MSA = $43,955
Albany--Schenectady--Troy, NY MSA =$43,250
Syracuse, NY MSA =$39,750
Buffalo--Niagara Falls, NY MSA=$38,488
Binghamton, NY MSA = $36,374
You used Average (mean), which is not as reliable indicator to determine income.
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