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Old 05-01-2014, 02:03 PM
 
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Another article kinda along the same lines ..........

Half in Illinois and Connecticut Want to Move Elsewhere
If anything, it shows people how unsatisfied people can be. 23% is still pretty high and I believe that a third of the country is essentially unhappy about where they live. That is a pretty high percentage, if you think about it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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Another article kinda along the same lines ..........

Half in Illinois and Connecticut Want to Move Elsewhere
Tri-state area (NJ, NY and CT) well represented. People basically want out.

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If anything, it shows people how unsatisfied people can be. 23% is still pretty high and I believe that a third of the country is essentially unhappy about where they live. That is a pretty high percentage, if you think about it.
It is pretty darn high. I'm not really surprised to see the top states that people want to stay in. They're are no real huge downsides to ME, NH, OR or MT, especially if your family is there and you've got a job. Texas is booming. And each state's residents I would venture to say have a different reason for wanting to leave. My guess:

NY, NJ, CT: taxes, COL
IL: boring as hell, Chicago gets all the benefits.
NV: its a brown desert and the entire states economy is based on gambling and toxic waste storage
MS: poor, backward, bad rap nationally.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:45 PM
 
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Tri-state area (NJ, NY and CT) well represented. People basically want out.



It is pretty darn high. I'm not really surprised to see the top states that people want to stay in. They're are no real huge downsides to ME, NH, OR or MT, especially if your family is there and you've got a job. Texas is booming. And each state's residents I would venture to say have a different reason for wanting to leave. My guess:

NY, NJ, CT: taxes, COL
IL: boring as hell, Chicago gets all the benefits.
NV: its a brown desert and the entire states economy is based on gambling and toxic waste storage
MS: poor, backward, bad rap nationally.
Actually, with the exception of Montana, the other 3 states still have areas with a well above average COL in terms of their population centers, relative to other areas: http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...s/download.pdf

Here are other threads on this topic: 33% of Americans overall want to move out of their state
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:30 PM
 
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Not really. With the national average being 100:

Portland, OR is 100.5
Portland, ME is 100.8
Manchester-Nashua is 108.9

And these are the most expensive areas in each respective state. With the exception of Manchester, the cost of living in these areas are about the national average. Manchester isn't much more.

It also shows Raleigh to be slightly cheaper than both Syracuse and Binghamton, and Charlotte to be on par with Elmira.

Thanks for posting this. Its one of the few online COL charts that I've come across that seems pretty accurate with what I've experienced personally.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:22 PM
 
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Not really. With the national average being 100:

Portland, OR is 100.5
Portland, ME is 100.8
Manchester-Nashua is 108.9

And these are the most expensive areas in each respective state. With the exception of Manchester, the cost of living in these areas are about the national average. Manchester isn't much more.

It also shows Raleigh to be slightly cheaper than both Syracuse and Binghamton, and Charlotte to be on par with Elmira.

Thanks for posting this. Its one of the few online COL charts that I've come across that seems pretty accurate with what I've experienced personally.
In essence, those latter areas are the same, as tenths of a percent separates them. Buffalo is even lower, but this is with everything considered by the Bureau of Economic Analysis, which uses all items and price parities. BEA: News Release: Real Personal Income for States and Metropolitan Areas, 2008-2012
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:11 AM
 
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In essence, those latter areas are the same, as tenths of a percent separates them. Buffalo is even lower, but this is with everything considered by the Bureau of Economic Analysis, which uses all items and price parities. BEA: News Release: Real Personal Income for States and Metropolitan Areas, 2008-2012
I agree they are the same when Cost of Living Only is considered. I'm not sure how property taxes factor in, but assuming that's accounted for, then the question becomes:

If the cost is the same, whats the difference in Quality of Life?

I think many would argue for a higher quality of life currently in many Southern and Western states. Its the only logical conclusion one could draw from the major population shift to these states.
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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I agree they are the same when Cost of Living Only is considered. I'm not sure how property taxes factor in, but assuming that's accounted for, then the question becomes:

If the cost is the same, whats the difference in Quality of Life?

I think many would argue for a higher quality of life currently in many Southern and Western states. Its the only logical conclusion one could draw from the major population shift to these states.
There could be two words fueling it. That is retirement and jobs.

If you look at some other metrics, many Northeastern and Midwestern areas/states are still doing fine.

We've also seen how people are moving all over the place and how that isn't cut and dry. So, I think that there is a lot to consider.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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There could be two words fueling it. That is retirement and jobs.

If you look at some other metrics, many Northeastern and Midwestern areas/states are still doing fine.

We've also seen how people are moving all over the place and how that isn't cut and dry. So, I think that there is a lot to consider.
Retirement, yes, moreso in the warmer areas. Jobs definitely seem to be on the upswing in places like TX, NC and CO. While its not cut and dry, the overall pattern seems to be South and West.

Oil and gas are the big winners in the upper Midwest for sure.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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Another way to look at that list is something i heard from a sport radio talk show host and that is that, "There are the coasts and everywhere else".
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