All You People Leaving Upstate NY Read This ... (New York, Buffalo: health insurance, school district)

[iloveupstateny]

ya know, I have to say it, I am getting to the point of disgust with this fight regarding upstate ny. Even the topic of this thread "All YOU PEOPLE leaving upstate NY". Like the "YOU PEOPLE" are the ones with the problem, and there is such a negative connotation.

I have to say how dumb can some people be---by having to actually move to another place to realize it is better? I guess it is human nature but I can tell exactly upon visiting a city for about an hour if I can live there or not. I am kind of sick of the story of people moving somewhere else and then realizing how great they had it. If you are from upstate Ny, OF COURSE, you will have problems going somewhere else. The only problems that will be alleviated are jobs. Unless you live in an affluent burb in upstate NY, or even a middle-class one outside of a major city, you won't see tons of welfare people and rural towns being run-down and dormant yet still paying the same property-tax of a much nicer, more affluent town. You won't see a large number of ethnic physicians that can't speak English that actually are able to practice medicine in your rural area because no one else can afford the malpractice insurance of NY. I mean the list goes on and on. Big problems for certain states (NY really takes the cake) in our Nation.

I am rambling, but it really is all a matter of perspective. A year ago, before I HAD to move South, I had no clue and would never even recognize these things. The people I have met and the same story coming from everyone, makes me wonder if the people with this elitist attitude like those that would claim "YOU PEOPLE" (the ones that leave) in a negative or not well-thought out light makes me just wonder that hey, in a year, with a certain twist of events, it could be you. If you needed a paying job, and you needed health insurance, it would be you. Point blank, it would. Leaving NY was the hardest thing I ever had to do and I knew it would basically suck, but it put me on the map as a professional and maybe it will help get me back someday. I am not really holding my breath on that one but the story is the same for a lot of these "YOU PEOPLES". There are tears, disappointments, confusion, anger, revelations, changes in perspective, confidence, and opportunity all wrapped into it for the "YOU PEOPLES" that move. So frankly, give us a break. It is always easier to stay than it is to go.

[inpd]

Originally Posted by iloveupstateny

ya know, I have to say it, I am getting to the point of disgust with this fight regarding upstate ny. Even the topic of this thread "All YOU PEOPLE leaving upstate NY". \
I am rambling,

I've think you've misread the thread or only seen the negative comments
posted by others. Please re-read and correct your comments. It
was a positive thread about how stable population areas have many
advantages. I don't think many people appreciate it because when you
visit a new shiny and growing place you don't/can't do things like check for
waiting lists for doctors, day-cares etc.

[shibainu]

iloveupstateny good post

[itSmellsBAD]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

It's time for some NY residents to take the Bull by the horns. By that I mean be proactive and not reactive. Start a business and make things happen. Volunteer in your community to make it a better place..................
I am taking my own advice. If I do indeed move to NY I'll be finding whatever job I can get and then following that I'll start up a small proprietorship on the side. That business will be highly visible and have a positive impact in the community.

As a small business owner, I can assure you that NY is the most predatory, regulated, pain in the a** state you will find anywhere. Workmans comp is among the highest in the nation. Taxes, inspectors, PAPERWORK, local government, county governmnent, town government, state government, FEES FOR EVERYTHING, some of the highest utility rates in the nation, telephone taxes like nothing you've ever seen, fuel taxes, TOLLS to move your product, etc. It eats up thin profit margins in a hurry.

I'd be interested to know what kind of small business you plan on starting in NY. Most new ones give up and leave and the ones that make it eventually relocate. Spitzer is giving a huge speech in WNY on the economy Wednesday. Should be good for a laugh.

[WILWRadio]

There are different studies that put different states at the top and bottom. I've seen some that put Maine at the bottom while others have Connecticut or Minnesota at the bottom. Kansas also appears at or near the bottom in at least one study.

I plan to start a small community radio station. I won't divulge the location however otherwise someone may beat me to the punch.

[iloveupstateny]

Originally Posted by inpd

I've think you've misread the thread or only seen the negative comments
posted by others. Please re-read and correct your comments. It
was a positive thread about how stable population areas have many
advantages. I don't think many people appreciate it because when you
visit a new shiny and growing place you don't/can't do things like check for
waiting lists for doctors, day-cares etc.

no, i think i just got irked at the title of the thread. my apologies. But actually, speaking of health care, I have had sooo much better health care practices in the city I live in right now in a "shiny and new" place in the South. I have dealt with rude nurses, somewhat run-down offices, and very long waits times at doctor's offices in both Rochester and Buffalo. (I am sure NOT all though). To my surprise, I have beautiful and clean physician offices, really friendly staff, and hardly any wait times at all. Several of my friends are residents at the med center down here and a 3 of them happen to be from the Syracuse, Buffalo, and Albany area. And none are going back to practice.........due to high malpractice insurance, health insurance companies and their nonsense and limitations, less pay, and more work basically.

On a personal note, add the fact that a family member, was rushed to a hospital in a town with a large SUNY school about 25 min. from Rochester on a Saturday at 11 am, and there was NO ER DOCTOR in the ER at that time.......who then was transferred to an ER of a hospital in Rochester where he laid for several hours before receiving care for the STROKE he was having. (I know it was 1.5 hr. wait just to get the MRI). Yeah, give my regards to the health care system in NY. Again, I was there and I experienced it and this was another harsh realization that maybe NY isn't all roses and sunshine like I had always thought when I didn't really think about things such as taxes and health care. Of course, I probably just hit 2 hospitals on the same day that were caught "having a bad day", right?

On a lighter note, there may be more traffic in certain areas of these "shiny, new places" but for instances of health care, and day care, I would think these places are better. Influx of people with lucrative incomes create the need and demand for higher quality when it comes to providing any service. Don't get me wrong, I love NY, but I want it to CHANGE. It has to.

[itSmellsBAD]

The biggest MYTH about NY is that "high taxes mean great schools". BULL!
High taxes mean HIGH PAID TEACHERS with lifetime health insurance and cosmetic surgeyr benefits that move away once they retire to live in FLORIDA.

Health care is rotten around here. That's what happens when the hospitals are inundated with welfare cases who have no jobs and are too lazy to relocate because NY is a welfarite DREAM.

[itSmellsBAD]

Originally Posted by WILWRadio

There are different studies that put different states at the top and bottom. I've seen some that put Maine at the bottom while others have Connecticut or Minnesota at the bottom. Kansas also appears at or near the bottom in at least one study.

I plan to start a small community radio station. I won't divulge the location however otherwise someone may beat me to the punch.

I'll look for you in the Chapter 11 filings in the Buffalo News in a couple of years. Radio is dominated by an AM station in Buffalo that points out the NEGATIVES of living here.

[WILWRadio]

Don't bet on it. I checked the sales figures for a number of AM radio stations in WNY and CNY and they seem to be doing alright. And if you are making reference to WBEN I would hardly say that Bauerle and Beach only dwell on the negative.

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by iloveupstateny

no, i think i just got irked at the title of the thread. my apologies. But actually, speaking of health care, I have had sooo much better health care practices in the city I live in right now in a "shiny and new" place in the South. I have dealt with rude nurses, somewhat run-down offices, and very long waits times at doctor's offices in both Rochester and Buffalo. (I am sure NOT all though). To my surprise, I have beautiful and clean physician offices, really friendly staff, and hardly any wait times at all. Several of my friends are residents at the med center down here and a 3 of them happen to be from the Syracuse, Buffalo, and Albany area. And none are going back to practice.........due to high malpractice insurance, health insurance companies and their nonsense and limitations, less pay, and more work basically.

On a personal note, add the fact that a family member, was rushed to a hospital in a town with a large SUNY school about 25 min. from Rochester on a Saturday at 11 am, and there was NO ER DOCTOR in the ER at that time.......who then was transferred to an ER of a hospital in Rochester where he laid for several hours before receiving care for the STROKE he was having. (I know it was 1.5 hr. wait just to get the MRI). Yeah, give my regards to the health care system in NY. Again, I was there and I experienced it and this was another harsh realization that maybe NY isn't all roses and sunshine like I had always thought when I didn't really think about things such as taxes and health care. Of course, I probably just hit 2 hospitals on the same day that were caught "having a bad day", right?

On a lighter note, there may be more traffic in certain areas of these "shiny, new places" but for instances of health care, and day care, I would think these places are better. Influx of people with lucrative incomes create the need and demand for higher quality when it comes to providing any service. Don't get me wrong, I love NY, but I want it to CHANGE. It has to.

Talking about health care there was a news report a couple months ago about how WNY is having a hard time keeping good doctors because of cost.