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Old 06-02-2015, 01:04 PM
 
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Greetings,

I'm in the beginning stages of creating a micro sustainable live/work intentional community that serves many eco purposes. My vision is to purchase a house with some agricultural acreage (Minimum of 5 acres) or just land & develop a team of permaculturists/farmers/natural builders to grow the community. The community's goal is to utilize the land for multiple opportunities as below. I found several areas in NY that possess property/acreage within my budget, also below.

Any feedback on these areas and/or suggestions for other cities that fit my basic requirements are greatly appreciated.


*LAND/PROPERTY REQUIREMENTS; (BUDGET OF $200,000 MAX)

-City/Neighborhood will have a decent to strong labor/economic market that's not dependent on one industry for mass employment. Economically depressed ghost towns will be avoided


-Taxes not extreme (Agricultural zoning)


-Progressive city/neighborhood with open, diverse views & not heavily religious


-Permaculture; Solid farming soil & longer growing seasons for community/CSA/farmer's markets/local restaurants


-Decent & growing green-friendly population with several organic veggie/fruit markets. Local & ease of commute to farmer's markets. Plus, the community will hold several permaculture workshops/programs so the area has to have a demographic fit, such as near a college.


-Zero to friendly zoning/building codes to build multiple green tiny homes, straw-bale, yurts, clay, etc on land (without permits, septic required, etc). Subdivided allowed to sell/lease plots of land to members


-The land must be no further than 30 minutes from the nearest town. The intentional community has to attract like-minded people & the members will also need to work outside of the land so businesses/shopping can't be too far away


I understand this is a lot to ask esp given the budget, so many good areas will lack a few requirements on my list. So far, the cities/areas below seem to have some good land options. Any feedback on these towns would be helpful & appreciated. :-)

Ithaca (Nice but not really in my budget of under $200K)

Ogdensburg

Plainfield

Potsdam

Canton

Ridgeway

Albion

Murray Isle

Mohawk Valley

Eaton

Lisbon

Hermon

Richville

Brookfield

Alpine

Garrattsville

Pompey

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Old 06-02-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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Mohawk Valley is a region. Out of the towns on your list, Pompey may be the best bet due to the proximity to Syracuse and many colleges/universities and employers in the area. It is in fact in the same county as Syracuse.

Lisbon, Potsdam, Canton, Herman and to a lesser degree, Ogdensburg aren't too far away from each other in St Lawrence County. Perhaps land in between Potsdam and Canton could work due to the proximity to 4 colleges/universities(2 each in both communities) and there is a hospital in between as well.

Albion is close enough to Buffalo and Rochester. It is relatively culturally/racially diverse for a small town, but there it does have a correctional facility presence. So, I don't know if that factor would be an issue.

Eaton and Brookfield puts you pretty close to SUNY-Morrisville, Colgate University and to a lesser degree, Cazenovia College. Turning Stone Casino isn't to far away for other employment. Oneida may offer enough shopping and a hospital. Hamilton also has a small hospital. Brookfield is a little bit closer to Utica and Rome as well. Just north of Eaton in the town of Smithfield(hamlet of Peterboro), it has a history as an Underground Railroad town and houses the Abolitionist Hall of Fame.

Hopefully more will chime in.
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:41 PM
 
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Thanks so much ckhthankgod , very helpful! I think St Lawrence County so far holds the best value & good advice on looking at land in between Potsdam and Canton.

Do you know much about Ogdensburg?
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:46 PM
 
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Thanks so much ckhthankgod , very helpful! I think St Lawrence County so far holds the best value & good advice on looking at land in between Potsdam and Canton.

Do you know much about Ogdensburg?
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Old 06-02-2015, 05:55 PM
 
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Thanks so much ckhthankgod , very helpful! I think St Lawrence County so far holds the best value & good advice on looking at land in between Potsdam and Canton.

Do you know much about Ogdensburg?
To be honest, not really, but given your criteria, I don't think it would fit your criteria as much as Potsdam and/or Canton due to both having a strong college presence.

Again, just in my opinion, in terms of the towns listed, Pompey allows you to go into Syracuse on a regular basis and the Westcott/University/University Hill area of the city will have the people that you are looking to interact with. https://www.planning.org/greatplaces...ersityhill.htm

UNPA - University Neighborhood Preservation Association

However, I will also suggest looking into towns that are covered under a NYPA Electric Coop. Welcome to the New York State Rural Electric Cooperative Home Page

For instance, Eaton and Brookfield are in the Oneida-Madison Electric Coop. Areas covered within NYPA coverage areas tend to have lower electric rates than parts of the state not within these coverage areas. Service Area | oneida-madison.coop

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Old 06-02-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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Wonderful info & advice yet again, thanks so much. I will focus on the 3 areas due to the colleges nearby, with a focus on Canton & Pompey. And I will look into the NYPA directory for participant states as this makes a big difference too.

Then I have to explore the property taxes further. Of course they're higher than what I'm used to but I'm factoring in more land and an enjoyable city atmosphere like Canton. I hope the property taxes don't increase yearly with personal land improvements like adding in a garden, barns etc. I heard the assessment can go up yearly for town additions.
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Old 06-02-2015, 07:53 PM
 
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Wonderful info & advice yet again, thanks so much. I will focus on the 3 areas due to the colleges nearby, with a focus on Canton & Pompey. And I will look into the NYPA directory for participant states as this makes a big difference too.

Then I have to explore the property taxes further. Of course they're higher than what I'm used to but I'm factoring in more land and an enjoyable city atmosphere like Canton. I hope the property taxes don't increase yearly with personal land improvements like adding in a garden, barns etc. I heard the assessment can go up yearly for town additions.
Check with the town/towns you are interested in, in regards to the assessments. Property improvements can increase the assessment, but you can challenge assessments as well.

Canton and Potsdam are small and are officially villages, with towns surrounding them of the same name.

NYPA stands for the New York Power Authority. So, check with the other states you are interested in to see if they have a Power Authority that has Electric/Power Cooperatives.

I hope this helps.
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Old 06-02-2015, 08:16 PM
 
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Tremendous help, thanks again...you deserve a medal lol :-)
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:49 AM
 
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Tremendous help, thanks again...you deserve a medal lol :-)
I don't know about that, but thanks.... Are you open to other towns in the state?

Also, are you looking to do something similar to this, which is just outside of Ithaca?: Ecovillage at Ithaca | Website for Ecovillage at Ithaca and its educational non-profit Learn@EcovillageIthaca

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Old 06-04-2015, 03:52 PM
 
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I really seem to like the vibes in Canton & Potsdam plus the schools bring in diversity. And yes, very similar to the Ecovillage at ithaca! I want to create a mico community of living closer to the land & becoming self-sufficient :-)
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