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I find is funny that the cities of Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester are #428 - 431 are the 4 worst upstate. I guess all those with ability are choosing to live elsewhere... pity.
I find is funny that the cities of Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester are #428 - 431 are the 4 worst upstate. I guess all those with ability are choosing to live elsewhere... pity.
Or the people that live there go private, charter, homeschool or go to schools in those districts and do just fine. It isn't much different with other urban school districts across the country.
Then you have to consider that they are all some of the biggest school districts in the state. So, it is tough to compare relatively big, diverse, urban school districts to smaller suburban and rural school districts, as you have a MUCH wider range of students, in various ways, in the Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester City school districts.
Another thing is that these rankings may speak to the overall affluence of these school districts, give or take, as the affluence rankings are likely not that much different. For instance, in the Syracuse area, the top 3 ranked school districts are about as affluent as you can get in the area(Fayetteville-Manlius, Cazenovia and Skaneateles)
I will say that it is interesting that Williamsville, Niskayuna and Brighton have slipped slightly and Honeoye Falls-Lima, Bethlehem and East Aurora have moved up a little bit. With this said, after a while, the difference between a lot of these districts are really minimal, even going towards the bottom of the list.
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Or the people that live there go private, charter, homeschool or go to schools in those districts and do just fine. It isn't much different with other urban school districts across the country.
Then you have to consider that they are all some of the biggest school districts in the state. So, it is tough to compare relatively big, diverse, urban school districts to smaller suburban and rural school districts, as you have a MUCH wider range of students, in various ways, in the Albany, Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester City school districts.
I am only commenting on the bottom 4. Like other urban areas it is a shame that for the exorbitant taxes they are paying that the school district for where they live is crap! Same here, those in the city either pay the private route or they move to the burbs to ensure their child's education is not wasted, very few with the option choose to be urban pioneers.
I am only commenting on the bottom 4. Like other urban areas it is a shame that for the exorbitant taxes they are paying that the school district for where they live is crap! Same here, those in the city either pay the private route or they move to the burbs to ensure their child's education is not wasted, very few with the option choose to be urban pioneers.
I know what you are saying, but many just like where they live in those cities and go to the schools there and do fine. It is just that the range is so large and varied, you can/will get a little bit of everything. We've had posters on here that have attended schools in those districts and some that have sent their children to those district that have been fine. These districts may have programs that aren't in suburban districts or the home environment is fine and the children do what they need to do.
I'm not sure if the taxes are as high in these districts as suburban districts, but the residents should(and some do) demand better results as well.
In regards to Rochester, you also have this program: Urban-Suburban Interdistrict Transfer Program Participating suburban/small town schools take in city(mainly Black and Hispanic) kids to attend their schools. So, that is another option in that area.
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I know what you are saying, but many just like where they live in those cities and go to the schools there and do fine. It is just that the range is so large and varied, you can/will get a little bit of everything. We've had posters on here that have attended schools in those districts and some that have sent their children to those district that have been fine. These districts may have programs that aren't in suburban districts or the home environment is fine and the children do what they need to do.
I'm not sure if the taxes are as high in these districts as suburban districts, but the residents should(and some do) demand better results as well.
In regards to Rochester, you also have this program: Urban-Suburban Interdistrict Transfer Program Participating suburban/small town schools take in city(mainly Black and Hispanic) kids to attend their schools. So, that is another option in that area.
You are really idealistic and unrealistic those with means are going the private route or vacating to the burbs that's why the city schools rate so poorly. It is rare to find someone who can afford options risk their child's education at the city schools, maybe at the ES level but not the secondary's.
Taxes at least in Rochester/city of Syracuse are definitely on par or higher then the suburban districts which are providing good services and decent schools. Here the burbs win out hands down...
I will not ever rate/rank special programs where a school can glean off x% of applicants who exceed whatever standard that is not realistic. Nor is your send a minority to a suburban school program which allows a handful an opportunity to go to a better school and for that school to save "hey we have diversity"
Quoting from your link "In order for a student to be placed, first and foremost there must be classroom space available in the receiving suburban district. Students are selected to participate in the program following a district level review of student report cards, test scores, attendance records, teacher comments and an interview with the student, parents, and Urban-Suburban staff. " So in other words if Brighton has 10 spots then 10 students who can pass this screening will be selected, the rest are SOL till next year.
You are really idealistic and unrealistic those with means are going the private route or vacating to the burbs that's why the city schools rate so poorly. It is rare to find someone who can afford options risk their child's education at the city schools, maybe at the ES level but not the secondary's.
Taxes at least in Rochester/city of Syracuse are definitely on par or higher then the suburban districts which are providing good services and decent schools. Here the burbs win out hands down...
I will not ever rate/rank special programs where a school can glean off x% of applicants who exceed whatever standard that is not realistic. Nor is your send a minority to a suburban school program which allows a handful an opportunity to go to a better school and for that school to save "hey we have diversity"
Quoting from your link "In order for a student to be placed, first and foremost there must be classroom space available in the receiving suburban district. Students are selected to participate in the program following a district level review of student report cards, test scores, attendance records, teacher comments and an interview with the student, parents, and Urban-Suburban staff. " So in other words if Brighton has 10 spots then 10 students who can pass this screening will be selected, the rest are SOL till next year.
My point is that a program like this will take good students away from the RCSD, but still live in Rochester. There have been more suburban and small town SD's that have been participating in the program as well and it is similar to MN's and WI's Open Enrollment System that allows students to go to any school in the state, as long as there is room and they can get a way to that school, if I'm not mistaken.
Also, you actually have people that stay. I'm not making it up or even disagreeing with you, but it isn't uncommon for top Syracuse City SD HS students to go to Ivies, high level private and public colleges/universities or service academies and graduate from them. I'm not talking about the magnet HS, but the regular HS's. So, you can have a vast range of academic experiences within those districts is all I'm saying. Here are the valedictorians and salutatorians of the Syracuse City SD HS's: Graduation 2016: Nottingham High School Valedictorian Francesca Giardine | syracuse.com
I also don't know if taxes are higher in the city of Syracuse versus suburban districts. Perhaps the rates are higher, but that is likely attributed to a comparatively lower median home price. Even a decent suburban district like Solvay is likely to have higher taxes in comparison.
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My point is that a program like this will take good students away from the RCSD, but still live in Rochester. There have been more suburban and small town SD's that have been participating in the program as well and it is similar to MN's and WI's Open Enrollment System that allows students to go to any school in the state, as long as there is room and they can get a way to that school, if I'm not mistaken.
Also, you actually have people that stay. I'm not making it up or even disagreeing with you, but it isn't uncommon for top Syracuse City SD HS students to go to Ivies, high level private and public colleges/universities or service academies and graduate from them. I'm not talking about the magnet HS, but the regular HS's. So, you can have a vast range of academic experiences within those districts is all
I also don't know if taxes are higher in the city of Syracuse versus suburban districts. Perhaps the rates are higher, but that is likely attributed to a comparatively lower median home price. Even a decent suburban district like Solvay is likely to have higher taxes in comparison.
Your taking this and twisting it with your links upon links.
1) I don't believe that the Rochester program is taking every student of ability from the district nor do I
believe that available slots are as high as you think.
2) No one said that a city kid from one of the 4 cities couldn't make it to the top pick schools but their
accomplishments are not enough as reflected by the districts placement.
3) I said it before people with financial options are not willing to jeopardize their child's education and will
move or go the private route. I have read it on the Rochester board and I see it here in Richmond it's
not unique to upstate NY.
As for taxes, per the Onondaga tax table Onondaga County Department of Real Property Taxes the city of Syracuse is $38.68 per 1k assessed versus the village of Solvay, town of Geddes $16.49 I would say the taxes are higher in Syracuse. For Rochester the rate is $32.28 City of Rochester | Tax Rates - Assessment Bureau and it appears the towns run just as high but they have viable schools and services for their money. Reading the Monroe County tax table they are charging for every light bulb in every street light...
Your taking this and twisting it with your links upon links.
1) I don't believe that the Rochester program is taking every student of ability from the district nor do I
believe that available slots are as high as you think.
2) No one said that a city kid from one of the 4 cities couldn't make it to the top pick schools but their
accomplishments are not enough as reflected by the districts placement.
3) I said it before people with financial options are not willing to jeopardize their child's education and will
move or go the private route. I have read it on the Rochester board and I see it here in Richmond it's
not unique to upstate NY.
As for taxes, per the Onondaga tax table Onondaga County Department of Real Property Taxes the city of Syracuse is $38.68 per 1k assessed versus the village of Solvay, town of Geddes $16.49 I would say the taxes are higher in Syracuse. For Rochester the rate is $32.28 City of Rochester | Tax Rates - Assessment Bureau and it appears the towns run just as high but they have viable schools and services for their money. Reading the Monroe County tax table they are charging for every light bulb in every street light...
I'm not twisting anything. I'm just giving different factors in terms of school options, the range of students and that some with means still go with the public urban schools.
I also mentioned the tax rate aspect, but that the housing prices may play a part in actual taxes paid. Solvay has low electric rates, but if you look at home listings, taxes can be quite high in the village due to the village rates as well. Onondaga County Department of Real Property Taxes
Anyway, those that have viewed past lists and the additional lists that come up in the Upstate NY Schools guide from Buffalo Business First realize that most of the movement will be at the top. I believe that Ithaca or Saratoga Springs are usually the highest ranked school districts that cover an urban setting/community.
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I wonder how Pittsford would compare to some schools in Westchester County like Scarsdale, Chappaqua, Edgemont, etc.
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