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Old 05-18-2018, 08:47 AM
 
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Chemung county, Elmira surrounded by a mini red state. Elmira is very much an indicator of upstate NY being in rust belt.
I'd say Elmira is pretty red, too. Chemung County, along with the counties west of it (Steuben, Allegany, Cattaraugus) are all staunchly conservative. The exception *might* be Corning, in Steuben County, because of Corning, Inc. However, the locals not affiliated with Corning are often vocally resentful of the "liberal agenda."

All 4 of these counties are (IMHO) geographically beautiful. Rolling hills, lots of trees and green space, rivers, creeks, and other bodies of water to fish and boat in. But with that wildness comes a bit of economic and cultural backwater - it often feels like we are still living in (or trying desperately to hold on to) the 1980s. Stereotypes abound on all sides. We are overweight, a larger percentage of people smoke cigarettes (a little over 25% of the population according to surveys, versus about 15% of the population in more urban areas of NYS), and there are lots of pick-up trucks. (My spouse has been mocked repeatedly for driving a hybrid Prius, despite the rising cost of gasoline in the area.) There is often a distrust of newcomers/outsiders and "uppity" college-educated people -- even though there are some great institutions of higher ed in the area, St. Bonaventure, Alfred University, and Elmira College, to name a few.
It can be a strange place. But it grows on you.
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Old 05-18-2018, 11:26 AM
 
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I'd say Elmira is pretty red, too. Chemung County, along with the counties west of it (Steuben, Allegany, Cattaraugus) are all staunchly conservative. The exception *might* be Corning, in Steuben County, because of Corning, Inc. However, the locals not affiliated with Corning are often vocally resentful of the "liberal agenda."

All 4 of these counties are (IMHO) geographically beautiful. Rolling hills, lots of trees and green space, rivers, creeks, and other bodies of water to fish and boat in. But with that wildness comes a bit of economic and cultural backwater - it often feels like we are still living in (or trying desperately to hold on to) the 1980s. Stereotypes abound on all sides. We are overweight, a larger percentage of people smoke cigarettes (a little over 25% of the population according to surveys, versus about 15% of the population in more urban areas of NYS), and there are lots of pick-up trucks. (My spouse has been mocked repeatedly for driving a hybrid Prius, despite the rising cost of gasoline in the area.) There is often a distrust of newcomers/outsiders and "uppity" college-educated people -- even though there are some great institutions of higher ed in the area, St. Bonaventure, Alfred University, and Elmira College, to name a few.
It can be a strange place. But it grows on you.
Oh I know. This is the part of the state I am from. Red, to me, is not necessarily a bad thing. I'd also throw Schuyler into that group. Generally speaking, the only hard-line liberals in Schuyler are transplanted from Tompkins, or over here preaching "on our behalf" with no regards to our actual feelings on whichever matter they're on about.

Watkins Glen without the tourists and rich summertime down-staters is actually a fairly Republican leaning town. The true natives are as salt of the earth as anywhere nearby, they're just drowning under an ocean of Chinese, Indians and vacationing wealthy urbanites.

As far as we're concerned, Elmira is blue.
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Old 05-19-2018, 02:35 AM
 
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Essex County-Mostly wilderness, a few farms, some limited industry, nothing but small towns, locals are mostly blue-collar (and often "redneck") with a few middle class people here and there, lots of summertime residents and tourists from all over the income spectrum... Wealthy summer people flock to Lake Placid, Keene, Westport, Essex, Willsboro, and Schroon Lake, middle class and blue collar summer people are seen more around Port Henry, Crown Point, Elizabethtown, and Keeseville. Newcomb and Minerva feel isolated and cut off from the rest of the county, should be part of Hamilton and Warren Counties, respectively. Ticonderoga and Crown Point are homes to the ruins of French and British forts used in the Seven Years War and American Revolution. Ticonderoga also has recently become the home to exact replicas of the original Star Trek sets, and a recent visit by William Shatner brought in people from all over (and a healthy shot of money into the local economy). Very, very lucky to have both I-87 and Amtrak running through the eastern part of the county. Lake Champlain forms the entire eastern border of the county, Vermonters get the privilege of gawking at OUR beautiful Adirondack Mountains. Lots of history and natural beauty. Politically, I'd say it's kind of reddish-purple. Compared to NYC it's like the bible belt, but it's fairly sane compared to the stereotypes of the south.

Clinton County-Dominated by Plattsburgh, not that that's saying much. Kind of a "sister county" to Essex. I-87 provides easy access to Montreal, lots of Canadian companies have opened in the area (mostly in Plattsburgh, and to a much lesser extent in Champlain/Rouses Point). A lot of blue-collar and "redneck" types in the rural and mountain areas outside of Plattsburgh. Unlike Essex County, the mountainous areas in Clinton don't have the influx of tourists during the summer, places like Lyon Mountain and Standish can seem a little like Deliverance to outsiders. There used to be an Air Force Base in Plattsburgh, now it is used as a small international airport (used mostly by Canadians) and is also home to many of the aforementioned Canadian companies. Plattsburgh also has a halfway decent state college which over the last few years has been tightening its standards and slowly shaking off its old reputation as a party school. Plattsburgh is always being unfairly compared to Burlington, VT, located across Lake Champlain, and seems to think of itself as the red headed step child of the Champlain Valley. There's an area in Altona called the Ganienkeh (gon-ee-onk-ah) Territory, populated by traditionalist Mohawks who broke away from the "official" reservation about an hour's drive away (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganienkeh). They operate a small bingo parlor and cigarette shop that attracts a lot of locals. Located in Dannemora is the maximum security Clinton Correctional Facility, which made national headlines when two inmates escaped (which is now being made into a miniseries by Ben Stiller). On the south end of the county is Ausable Chasm, aka "The Grand Canyon of the East". Right down the road from the chasm is a seasonal ferry that lands right in downtown Burlington, VT frequented by tourists; a year-round ferry used more by locals runs from Plattsburgh to Grand Isle, VT (25 minutes north of Burlington). On the northern ed of the county, hour-long waits at the Canadian border are common. Much like Essex, Clinton County is super lucky to have I-87 and Amtrak.

Franklin County-Ditto a lot of the points about both Essex and Clinton, but no Lake Champlain, no I-87, no Amtrak. Southern half of the county is in the ADK high peaks and is tourist territory (Saranac Lake, Tupper Lake), northern half of the county is flat farmland (From parts of Chateaugay and Burke you can see the lights of Montreal). The only thing keeping Malone going is the fact that it's home to three prisons. Saranac Lake, and to a lesser extent, Tupper Lake, thrive on tourism...lots of beautiful ponds/lakes and mountains. In the northwestern corner of the county lies the St. Regis/Akwasasne Mohawk reservation, home of a moderately-sized hotel/casino, several tobacco shops, and truck stop after truck stop after truck stop. These are the Mohawks the aforementioned Ganienkehs broke off from.
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