What is Upstate??? (New York, Buffalo, Rochester: how much, middle school, colleges)

[cater_to_cowards]

I have an answer... Look at the map of New York. Would you consider upstate is near the Canadian border ? Townships like Massena , Potsdam are near there. To me that is upstate New York. What do think ?

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by cater_to_cowards

I have an answer... Look at the map of New York. Would you consider upstate is near the Canadian border ? Townships like Massena , Potsdam are near there. To me that is upstate New York. What do think ?

upstate is near the Canadian border is called "The North Country".

[wallkiller728]

Originally Posted by Pidgett

Hi i'minformed!

I must respectfully disagree with your above statement. You are confusing demographics/geography with the sociopolitical designation "upstate." Just because demographically many NYC metro peole have moved to P'keepsie and Kingston and now call this area home, and just because there are many NYC area people living in this area only because they have been priced out of the downstate area vis a vis housing costs and are still part of the rat race mentality of that area, it doesn't mean this area is "downstate." This is purely from a technical, accurate standpoint as defined by the govt of the state of New York. Also, if you are hearing the NY accent from residents of P-town/Kingston, it is because they are transplants and are not native to this area, aka the mid-Hudson Valley. In fact, a native of this area would be quite upset at being defined as part of the NYC Metro/Downstate area as they do not have the classic New Yaaawwwk accent, mindset. etc etc. BTW, in reference to the rooting for NYC teams, there are many folks in other parts of upstate other than 'Kips/Kingston who root for the Mets and Yanks, etc. Because of a lack of a true state-identified team, the NYC teams become the default/de facto NY teams we root for. Except, of course, if you root for the Patriots and the Sox, as do many upstaters who choose to eschew the Big Apple!

Because of the huge confusion of New York--meaning the city--and New York--meaning the state, there has to be something that unequivocally deifnes them. It has been historically recognized for sociopolitical purposes that downstate equals NYC's five boroughs, Long Island's two counties, and the suburbs of Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties. Everything else is upstate.

Sorry for being picky and persnickety--which, my better half, Mrs. Pidgett says are my middle names , but I felt it necessary to clear the record as the title of this thread, "What is Upstate?," begged the correct answer.

I agree 100%, ESPECIALLY since I live smack in between kips and po-town.

[Khayla007]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

upstate is near the Canadian border is called "The North Country".

Born and raised in Rochester we never called it The North Country. We always called it 1. Western NY or 2. Upstate NY

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by Khayla007

Born and raised in Rochester we never called it The North Country. We always called it 1. Western NY or 2. Upstate NY

Well, then contact News10Now and tell them to stop calling the North Country ...the North Country. http://www.news10now.com/ The fact is "The North Country" is what everyone in Syracuse calls Watertown up to the Canadian border.

Here are the facts according what these areas call themselves, not opinions....

-Upstate NY covers everything north of Ulster County.

-Western NY is Wayne County and everything west of it

-Central NY is Cayuga, Onondaga, Madison, and Oswego Counties

-The North Country is Watertown, St. Lawrence County, Adirondacks, Plattsburgh etc.

-The Southern Tier is Binghamton, Ithaca, Cortland, Elmira, Jamestown, Norwich, Oneonta, Corning, Olean etc.

-Mohawk Valley is Utica, Herkimer etc.

-Capital District is Albany Metro and Glens Falls metro

-Downstate NY is any area that gets their main News channels from NYC, instead of any Upstate City or any area where a good percentage of people commute to NYC for work

[Khayla007]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

Well, then contact News10Now and tell them to stop calling the North Country ...the North Country. http://www.news10now.com/ The fact is "The North Country" is what everyone in Syracuse calls Watertown up to the Canadian border.

Here are the facts according what these areas call themselves, not opinions....

-Upstate NY covers everything north of Ulster County.

-Western NY is Wayne County and everything west of it

-Central NY is Cayuga, Onondaga, Madison, and Oswego Counties

-The North Country is Watertown, St. Lawrence County, Adirondacks, Plattsburgh etc.

-The Southern Tier is Binghamton, Ithaca, Cortland, Elmira, Jamestown, Norwich, Oneonta, Corning, Olean etc.

-Mohawk Valley is Utica, Herkimer etc.

-Capital District is Albany Metro and Glens Falls metro

-Downstate NY is any area that gets their main News channels from NYC, instead of any Upstate City or any area where a good percentage of people commute to NYC for work

Thanks for the lesson. Will always be upstate to me!

[lammius]

"What is Upstate???"

Anything north of 96th Street!

JK. I'd say Poughkeepsie is about the northernmost extent of "Downstate." The Catskills are about as far as NYC'ers will go on a daytrip and about as far as their influence extends.

Capital Region, Mohawk Valley, Finger Lakes, Western New York, etc. etc. have always been subdivisions of "Upstate" as far as I've ever been concerned.

[Pidgett]

I agree with Bellafinzi's categorization of what Upstate is and what the sub-catgeories are and what the criteria for them includes.

BTW, I think that Khayla007 misunderstood the North Country definition. She interpreted it to mean that Rochester is in the North Country. Khayla007, I don't know how you misconstrued this because no one ever said that Rochester is the NC . Rochester is, as you point out, in the part of upstate that is commonly referred to as Western NY.

Hope this helps...

[iheart]

Originally Posted by wallkiller728

I myself live in Ulster County where the Hudson River and the Catskills meet, and I do not consider this upstate. Many of my relatives when visiting refer to it as that, and it drives me nuts! I believe it is Eastern New York State. Does anyone think like me or differently?

LOL...wouldn't cares that much anyway. but most if not all people from LI would referred anything above NYC to be upstate, and don't familiar anything above NYC at all.

[smalltownusa]

Originally Posted by Glen NY

Wall killer I worked in the City for the past 25 years and we had three categories of people, 1)city 2)Long Island and 3) upstate. Everybody is in one of those categories. There is no stigma to upstate, be proud

Yes, that is always how I refer to NYS and I'm from the Rochester area. To make it more concise, I say upstate when downstate and western NY when everywhere else. The upstate term tends to through outsiders, but we NY-ers know about which we speak.....just another quirk from the state that carries the same name as the most influential city in the world!

an Upstater/western NY-er