Worried About Wind Turbines (New York, York: motel, lawyers, construction)

[ORRIN0`]

Wind is expensive but erecting an equivilant coal plant would be jsut as costly and by far more polluting. Wind is intermintent but there are ways to handling that, such as power storage and energy management.

Who came up with the set back requirements incidently??? I have not browsed the subject far enough to locate that. i dont think the setback and requirements are too restrictive either, i think it might be eating into their profit margins more than likely. Most of these turbines tho sound be sound damoned enough that the decimal levels shouldnt be an issue. I wonder what turbines they are proposing to use?

[JustSayNo]

Orrino, if you are asking the specifics on the East Hill Project in Cherry Valley, which was the project that I was talking about I can give you this:

From Reunion's web site regarding the project: Although an exact turbine model has not been selected, the wind turbines on the East Hill will have a hub height of approximately 260 feet (80 meter tower). The rated power production from each windmill will be approximately two to three megawatts.

Back to me: first LOVE how they insist on calling these windMILLS, not turbines.Slippery fellows thinking that we can't see the difference
Reunion wants to put 24 turbines up, and remember hub height does NOT include the blades (they like to exclude that height to make them seem smaller) which would make tham just under 400 ft tall in total. With the megawatt per turbine being two to three, these are the REALLY big ones. In our area, the suggested turbine is 410 ft tall with 1.5 mgw output. My guess would be, based on what models are currently being used is that they are the Vestas, V90-3.0 MW and V80-2.0 MW turbines. This is just a guess, I have not found anything that announces the exact turbine proposed.

Regarding the setbacks, the town of CV came up with an acceptable limit of 2000 ft per structure and 1200 ft per lot line. THIS is what Reunion says kills the project, i.e., cuts into their bottom line as you suspected.

I hope this is the info you were looking for, if not ask away and I will share what I know!

[navinjohnson]

>>>>>>>>>>Wind is expensive but erecting an equivilant coal plant would be just as costly and by far more polluting. Wind is intermintent but there are ways to handling that, such as power storage and energy management.<<<<<<<<<<
Orrino, what you're missing here is that you still have to build the coal fired plant anyway. With wind turbines now we will be paying for both. Large scale AC power storage???? Maybe by the time they come up with that they will also have the fussion reactor.

[navinjohnson]

Orrino, longer setbacks Force the wind salesmen to involve more land owners in leases and easements. The more land ownwers you have to involve, the more likely it is that you will have some that won't agree to their terms at any price. ( count me among those). How would you like someone to plant a 400 foot whirling ,blinking, strobing ,flashing, groaning monster only 1000 feet from the beautiful cabin in the woods that you are building with your own hands and planning on retiring to some day? All so companies like Florida power and light can pay no income tax on billions in profit. Yes, that's how lucrative the tax shelters are for those investing in "wind farms"

PS. The wind developers have put forth no proof that wind energy will actually reduce greenhouse emissions.

PS.PS. Back to setbacks, weathersfield NY just increased their setback zoning to 1/4 mile, only a slight improvement, but the catch is it applies to a permanent residence. If you have a camp or maybe unimproved land that you want to devlope in the future they can put a wind turbine 500 feet from your property line. We need a state wide moratorium on wind development until sensible rules are made to protect the people.

[navinjohnson]

It would take 500, 2 mw wind turbines to replace one medium size 200 mw gas turbine generator ( something like a GE-frame 7-fh2) The 500 wind turbines would dominate thousands of acres of our countyside, the one single little gas turbine plant might use five acres at most. And of course the gas powered plant has to be built anyway, unless we are willing to go without power when the wind is not blowing hard enough.

[JustSayNo]

Thanks for the advertisement...............

Things have gone to hell here, the town board, or should I say the County pupets, put out a "survey" that 1) has NOT been sent to all taxpayers, just a select few, 2) Is asking whether you are a full-time or part-time resident, and 3) Is the most biased, loaded, transparent piece of doo doo I have ever read. It is now obvious to everyone that the County is pressuring and forcing our Town Board to pass the Turbines in our town.

Sadly, it is clear now that the County and Board have divided the town, a town where eveyone used to let each other be, used to be friendly and polite, used to be a quiet place to live. Now, everyone is hurling insults at each other and paniced because the few leaseholders will make a couple of thousand bucks, and the rest of us will lose our town, our dream, our way of life, our future--all for the greed and profit of the fly-by-night, no financial history, energy company.

The tide has turned, and it contanins a tidal wave that will wipe all of us out.

I advise EVERYONE whom is considering a move to Southern Tier, Upstate, or Western New York to do your homework on Turbines. A large portion of the State is being attacked, and dig deep to find out if the area you are interested in is a target. If it is, well you can make your own decision, but be aware the face and feel of the town WILL change, taxes will go up, and property value will GO DOWN! There will be two, clearly divided sides, and neighbors will not be friends if they disagree.

[looking4home]

Justsayno, this type of thing - a city skewing facts to ramrod a project through -is typical everywhere. They have the money (public money) and resources to distribute info at will, and as you said, to only a chosen portion of residents in order to get the desired effect. I have found that regardless of place, or the size of the town, local govt. will always act in the same, predictable way - they will always side with the money. There must be benefits for the towns, in terms of revenue, from the turbine project. Typically, it happens in towns who need tax dollars, and these companies know that. They are preying on the vulnerable.
Conversely, I live in an affluent CA city, one whose coffers are overflowing in developers' fee, sales and property tax revenue, etc. Yet, they still will vote to eliminate our open space and natural areas, creating more traffic and pollution, in favor of more development. That has become the engine that drives the machine, and all of our infrastructure depends on that. God help us when they run out of room to develop - we will go bankrupt! Also, it costs 6 figures to run for city council here, and the developers bankroll their campaigns, so they are forever beholden to them. Sadly, corruption is everywhere.

[JustSayNo]

Oh Looking, I so so know what you are saying! Thank you for sharing, as the "Your not the only one," does oddly provide comfort. You hit the nail on the head and I am saddened that there is no place that one can escape from corruption and greed. I moved to a very samll town (less than 800 taxpayers in 42 sq. miles) to find a community that I could enjoy, I could help neighbors, I could run my business, I could enjoy. But, soon after we closed, the Turbines became public, and now we are more involved in politics and corruption than we ever have been in our whole lives. BUT, this fight IS one worth standing up for. This feed the greed issue is simply not right. The technology is not right, nor is the manner that the companies are using, for this small town!

It is so sad, the town is literally cracking before my eyes. Something does not smell right, and it is coming from town hall, not all the farms that surround us!

[ORRIN0`]

Originally Posted by navinjohnson

It would take 500, 2 mw wind turbines to replace one medium size 200 mw gas turbine generator ( something like a GE-frame 7-fh2) The 500 wind turbines would dominate thousands of acres of our countyside, the one single little gas turbine plant might use five acres at most. And of course the gas powered plant has to be built anyway, unless we are willing to go without power when the wind is not blowing hard enough.

Ah, but while yous till need them, it diversifies your power generation. And you still ahve to buy fuel, and burn it in a gas plant, the wind is solar generated fromt he sun.

And yes, tehre are ways of storing hte energy you produce to even out the process.... compressed air, redox batteries, flywheels.

[ORRIN0`]

Originally Posted by JustSayNo

Orrino, if you are asking the specifics on the East Hill Project in Cherry Valley, which was the project that I was talking about I can give you this:

From Reunion's web site regarding the project: Although an exact turbine model has not been selected, the wind turbines on the East Hill will have a hub height of approximately 260 feet (80 meter tower). The rated power production from each windmill will be approximately two to three megawatts.

Back to me: first LOVE how they insist on calling these windMILLS, not turbines.Slippery fellows thinking that we can't see the difference
Reunion wants to put 24 turbines up, and remember hub height does NOT include the blades (they like to exclude that height to make them seem smaller) which would make tham just under 400 ft tall in total. With the megawatt per turbine being two to three, these are the REALLY big ones. In our area, the suggested turbine is 410 ft tall with 1.5 mgw output. My guess would be, based on what models are currently being used is that they are the Vestas, V90-3.0 MW and V80-2.0 MW turbines. This is just a guess, I have not found anything that announces the exact turbine proposed.

Regarding the setbacks, the town of CV came up with an acceptable limit of 2000 ft per structure and 1200 ft per lot line. THIS is what Reunion says kills the project, i.e., cuts into their bottom line as you suspected.

I hope this is the info you were looking for, if not ask away and I will share what I know!

Yup, jsut what i asked for.