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Old 07-24-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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Get rid of the tolls already the road had been paid off for decades..
I agree. They just spent hundreds of millions on the new toll counters. The whole philosophy of NYS is "pay me first". They trap you on the road, then get a cut of everything you buy along the way. I think with many more exits, there can be much more private development and the upstate cities won't feel as far apart.
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Old 07-24-2022, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Where my bills arrive
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I agree. They just spent hundreds of millions on the new toll counters. The whole philosophy of NYS is "pay me first". They trap you on the road, then get a cut of everything you buy along the way. I think with many more exits, there can be much more private development and the upstate cities won't feel as far apart.
Most interstates spawn all kinds of development along its length, the Thruway creates a dead zone. Why would any business want to relocate when they have to pay tolls on everything coming in and going out.

How's the movement to put the Tappan Zee Bridge back to its proper name going?
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Old 07-24-2022, 04:53 PM
 
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Ironically, I came across this development slated for the I-87 portion around Saugerties.

‘Destination’ venue on Thruway requires thorough impact review: https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonval...ness-spotlight

From the article: "Developers looking to build a $600 million “mixed-use destination venue” just west of the state Thruway must go through a thorough review by the Town Board after it determined the project could have adverse impacts on its surroundings.

The venue is planned on the 840-acre Winston Farm parcel in the village of Saugerties and would include a 10,000-seat amphitheater, adventure park, multi-unit housing, technology park, campgrounds and hiking trails, with lots for single-family homes and estates. It is being developed by three local businessmen, John Mullen, Anthony Montano and Randy Richers, who purchased the land in 2020 for $4 million.

The project has attracted local opposition, with residents taking issue with its size, its impact on the natural environment, and its potential impacts on residents' already-strained drinking water supply. Beautiful Saugerties, a citizens group formed to oppose the project, has 350 members, according to co-founder Andy Cowan.

The Saugerties Town Board led the review process and determined the project had the possibility to have “adverse environmental impacts,” referring to effects the development might have on its natural and man-made surroundings.

Development projects, especially large ones, commonly receive this designation in New York, which sets off a lengthy review process. Saugerties Mayor Frank Costello earlier said he expected the process to cost the developers millions of dollars as they commission studies and pay for attorneys.

The developers said they anticipated receiving this designation. “We remain committed to closely collaborating with our community and town of Saugerties leaders on the project’s details,” Winston Farm spokesman Josh Sommers said in a statement.

The parcel, which is more than a square mile, was the site of Woodstock '94 but has remained in its natural state since then as various projects from former owners fell through, in part due to community opposition. About a third of the property will remain open space, according to a concept plan filed by the developers in June.

Residents fighting the project said they knew and liked the developers, but that the development would damage the community and environment.

Marjory Greenburg-Vaughn remembers when Woodstock '94 was held at Winston Farm, and attendees pulled down the chain-link fence ringing the concert and ran amok in the village. She feared the amphitheater would attract similar crowds, and the music would be projected through the village by the venue's acoustics.

"It is an invasion of Saugerties for profit," she said.

Water-supply worries
One of the main issues voiced by residents was the potential impact on the community's drinking water.

A reservoir provides water to both the village and the town of Saugerties, but it is barely keeping up with current demand. The developers have offered to “construct another wellhead, water treatment facility and distribution network on the Winston Farm property to provide a much-needed secondary source for the village and potable water for the Winston Farm project.”

But a study commissioned by Catskill Mountainkeeper and released this month finds there is not as much water in the aquifer as was once thought. Kathleen Nolan, the organization’s senior research director, said a potential agreement for the development to provide water for itself and the community “is nice, but the numbers don't add up.”

The development would use 500,000 gallons of water a day, which amounts to about 42 percent of peak demand for both the town and village, so the well would have to pump nearly half as much water as is brought in from the reservoir through the municipal water system. As well as depleting its own water supply, drawing that much water from the aquifer would impact surrounding residential wells, Nolan said.

Residents also had issues with the impacts the project would have on the environment, both locally and globally. Winston Farm is part of 1,186 acres of connected forestland mapped by the state's Hudson River Estuary Program and supports a multitude of flora and fauna.

Margarita Asian noted that forest development leads to climate change as carbon-sequestering trees are chopped down, and paving over land similarly prevents carbon dioxide from being stored. "We have to think on a global scale and act locally," she said.

The review process the developers must go through can take up to two years."
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Old 07-24-2022, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The 90 is a frickin joke. Is it bad on the other side of the state. From Buffalo to Rochester it is poor and brutal.
Yeah, but it makes up for it by being insanely expensive! Welcome to the greed of NYS politicians.
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Old 07-28-2022, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Central New York State
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Never happen, it's too much of a cash cow

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Old 07-28-2022, 10:38 AM
 
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Four lane highway is outdated
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Old 07-29-2022, 02:10 PM
 
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Most interstates spawn all kinds of development along its length, the Thruway creates a dead zone. Why would any business want to relocate when they have to pay tolls on everything coming in and going out.

How's the movement to put the Tappan Zee Bridge back to its proper name going?


As soon as Andy left Albany, I asked that question. Still waiting. Not even the Democrats can support the name change.

Only thing worse was changing the Triboro Bridge in NYC to the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge, named for a carpetbagger senator.
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Old 07-30-2022, 10:21 AM
 
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Four lane highway is outdated
Please elaborate
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Old 08-02-2022, 04:32 AM
 
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The road there is really bad.
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Old 09-12-2022, 11:45 AM
 
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NY to suspend registrations for serial Thruway toll evaders. What to know: https://www.uticaod.com/story/news/2...TICA-NLETTER01

Chick-fil-A, Panera: Where to eat at the new NY Thruway rest areas? The full list: https://www.uticaod.com/story/news/2...t/65467918007/
"Most New Yorkers have probably experienced a late-night drive on the New York state Thruway, during which your only real sustenance was a breakfast sandwich from a rest area McDonald’s or maybe a cup of steaming coffee from Starbucks or Dunkin’ if you’re lucky.

The restaurant choices (or lack thereof) along New York’s main east-to-west thoroughfare often hinted at the fact that the Thruway’s rest stops haven’t been fully updated in over two decades. But In 2020, New York decided to change that.

The state embarked on a $450 million project to update all 27 service plazas with a brand new look and a fresh slate of food options, with some classics mixed in. The rest area overhaul is estimated to be completed in 2025.

To populate the new service areas, New York went for some of the most popular chains in fast food and fast casual eating, including Southern favorite Chick-fil-A, whose upcoming presence on the Thruway drew ire from lawmakers over the company’s history of giving to anti-LGBTQ+ causes; New York native Shake Shack, Panera Bread and Panda Express.

Most rest areas will also feature a coffee shop drive-thru, courtesy of either Starbucks or Dunkin’.

The project is underway, with one service area fully finished and another two about to open this month. An additional eight are currently closed for construction.

Here’s a rundown of the current and future food options at each Thruway rest area.

Opening date estimates and future restaurant options could be changed as the project progresses.

Restaurants at Westbound (I-90) and Northbound (I-87) on the New York state Thruway

Ardsley

(Between Exit 6A - Stew Leonard Dr. and Exit 7 - Ardsley/state Route 9A)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening early 2023

Future restaurants: Burger King, Starbucks (drive thru)

Sloatsburg

(Between Exit 15A - Sloatsburg/Suffern/state Routes 17N and 59 and Exit 16 - Harriman/U.S. Route 6/state Route 17)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening Fall 2023

Current restaurants: Burger King, Sbarro, Dunkin’, Starbucks

Future restaurants: Shake Shack, Panda Express, Dunkin’, Starbucks

Plattekill

(Between Exit 17 - Newburgh/Scranton/Interstate 84/state Routes 17K and 300 and Exit 18 - New Paltz/Poughkeepsie/state Route 299)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening early 2023

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Burger King, Auntie Anne’s, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Malden

(Between Exit 20 - Saugerties/Woodstock/state Route 32 and Exit 21 - Catskill/Cairo/state Route 23)

Status: OPEN, reopening TBD

Current restaurants: Original Pizza of Boston, Sandella’s, Gourmet Cup

Future restaurants: Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

New Baltimore (both directions)

(Between Exit 21B - Coxsackie/Ravena/U.S. Route 9W/state Route 81 and Exit 21A - Boston/Massachusetts Turnpike/Berkshire Connector (Interstate 90)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening early 2023

Future restaurants: Chick-fil-A, Shake Shack, Panera Bread, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Pattersonville


(Between Exit 26 - Schenectady/Scotia/Interstate 890/state Routes 5 and 5S and Exit 27 - Amsterdam/state Route 30)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening Fall 2023

Current restaurants: Roy Rogers, Starbucks

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Iroquois

(Between Exit 29 - Canajoharie/Sharon Springs/state Route 10 and Exit 29A - Little Falls/Dolgeville/state Route 169)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening Fall 2022

Future restaurants: Chick-fil-A, Burger King, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Schuyler

(Between Exit 30 - Herkimer/Mohawk/state Route 28) and Exit 31 - Utica/Interstate 790/state Routes 7 and 12)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, Breyer’s Ice Cream

Future restaurants: Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Chittenango

(Between Exit 34 - Canastota/Oneida/Chittenango/state Route 13 and Exit 34A - Syracuse/Chittenango/Oswego/Interstate 481)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening Sept. 2022

Future restaurants: Chick-fil-A, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Warners

(Between Exit 39 - Syracuse/Fulton/Interstate 690/state Route 690 and Exit 40 - Weedsport/Auburn/state Route 34)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s

Future restaurants: Burger King, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Junius Ponds

(Between Exit 41 - Waterloo/Clyde/state Route 414 and Exit 42 - Geneva/Lyons/state Route 14)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening Sept. 2022

Future restaurants: Shake Shack, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Seneca

(Between Exit 44 - Canandaigua/Victor/state Route 332 and Exit 45 - Rochester/Victor/Interstate 490)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening Spring 2023

Current restaurants: Tim Horton’s

Future restaurants: Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Ontario

(Between Exit 46 - Rochester/Corning/Interstate 390 and Exit 47 - Rochester/LeRoy/Interstate 490/state Route 19)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, LavAzza, Original Pizza of Boston, Edy’s Ice Cream

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Burger King, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Clarence

(Between Exit 48A - Pembroke/Medina/state Route 77 and Exit 49 - Depew/Lockport/state Route 78)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening early 2023

Future restaurants: Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Angola (both directions)

(Between Exit 57A - Eden/Angola and Exit 58 - Silver Creek/Irving/state Routes 5, 20 and 438)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, LavAzza, Sandella’s, Ellie’s Pizza and Pasta, Subway, Moe’s Southwestern Grill, Auntie Anne’s, Carvel, Cinnabon

Future restaurants: Shake Shack, Panda Express, Auntie Anne’s, Cinnabon, Starbucks (drive-thru)


Restaurants at Eastbound (I-90) and Southbound (I-87) on the New York State Thruway

Pembroke

(Between Exit 48A - Pembroke/Medina/state Route 77 and Exit 48 - Batavia/state Route 98)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening early 2023

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Scottsville

(Between Exit 47 - Rochester/LeRoy/Interstate 490/state Route 19 and Exit 46 - Rochester/Corning/Interstate 390)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: Arby’s, Tim Horton’s

Future restaurants: Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Clifton Springs

(Between Exit 43 - Manchester/Palmyra/state Route 21 and Exit 42 - Geneva/Lyons/state Route 14)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening early 2023

Future restaurants: Chick-fil-A, Shake Shack, Auntie Anne’s, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Port Byron

(Between Exit 41 - Waterloo/Clyde/state Route 414 and Exit 40 - Weedsport/Auburn/state Route 34)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, Original Pizza of Boston, Edy’s Ice Cream

Future restaurants: Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Dewitt

(Between Exit 36 - Watertown/Binghamton/Interstate 81 and Exit 35 - Syracuse/East Syracuse/state Route 298)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, Edy’s Ice Cream

Future restaurants: Starbucks (drive-thru)

Oneida

(Between Exit 33 - Verona/Rome/Oneida/state Route 365 and Exit 32 - Westmorland/Rome/state Route 233)

Status: CLOSED, estimated reopening late Summer/Fall 2023

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Burger King, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Indian Castle

(Between Exit 29A - Little Falls/Dolgeville/state Route 169 and Exit 29 - Canajoharie/Sharon Springs/state Route 10)

Status: OPEN, renovation complete

Current restaurants: Popeye’s, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Mohawk

(Between Exit 27 - Amsterdam/state Route 30 and Exit 26 - Schenectady/Scotia/Interstate 890/state Routes 5 and 5S)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, Dippin’ Dots

Future restaurants: Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Guilderland

(Between Exit 25 - Schenectady/Interstate 890/state Route 7 and 146 and Exit 24 - Albany/Montreal/Interstate 90 East/Interstate 87 North)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, Original Pizza of Boston

Future restaurants: Burger King, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Ulster

(Between Exit 20 - Saugerties/Woodstock/state Route 32 and Exit 19 - Kingston/state Route 28/Kingston-Rhinecliff Bridge)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening early 2024

Current restaurants: Burger King, Starbucks

Future restaurants: Burger King, Starbucks (drive-thru)

Modena

(Between Exit 18 - New Paltz/Poughkeepsie/state Route 299 and Exit 17 - Newburgh/Scranton/Interstate 84/state Routes 17K and 300)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening early 2024

Current restaurants: McDonald’s, LavAzza, Moe’s Southwestern Grill, Uno Pizzeria & Grill, Carvel

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Burger King, Dunkin’ (drive-thru)

Ramapo

(Between Exit 16 - Harriman/U.S. Route 6/state Route 17 and Exit 15A - Sloatsburg/Suffern/state Routes 17 North and 59)

Status: OPEN, estimated reopening TBD

Current restaurants: Uno Pizzeria & Grill, LavAzza, Carvel

Future restaurants: Panera Bread, Panda Express, Shake Shack, Starbucks (drive-thru)
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