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It had grown about 3% 2000-05, but 2000-2008 it has only grown 0.3%.
Obviously it has had a tough past few years. But I hear what you are saying, Poughkeepsie would make a long, but possibly worthwhile commute if you wanted some land in safe town.
The tanking of the economy has really slowed this phenomenon so this makes sense. Even in Putnam County (about halfway between Poughkeepsie and NYC) houses are starting to get semi-reasonable (like I see ads for some starter homes in the high 200s), so the incentive to go as far from NYC is not as great anymore.
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Originally Posted by UpstaterInBklyn
As I so often say here... "Never let facts get in the way of a good opinion", but here are the facts.
It may seem like everyone has been coming to NYC to work on Wall Street, and quite a few have, but a LOT MORE people have left.
Note: I also need to correct my own assumption in a previous post. I thought that net domestic migration was basically flat. The fact that net domestic migration is so negative is surprising. In another dataset linked off the same source page, it shows that in 2005, NYC lost over 268,000 people to out-migration and that Nassau-Suffolk actually lost population.
Actually, maybe it's not and my bad. After 9/11 a lot of people thought about leaving metro NY and I'm sure some did. I imagine your original assumption would be right 1980-2000. The 2010 census results could be interesting (will probably show growth, but as you note a lot of domestic out-migration with a lot of inward foreigh immigration.
From my anecdotal experience with friends and colleagues here in NYC, it seems that people are moving away simply because of cost and quality-of-life issues. Upstate, it tends to be lack of jobs, but downstate it is cost of living - both trends have excessive taxation and cost of government as a contributing factor.
It seems to be a common aspiration amongst many NYC natives to be able to leave the city and buy a big house with a backyard for $200K - until they realize that the kinds of places that offer big $200K houses have no jobs! Cause and effect.
What surprised me about the census figures was that new births were the source of the population increase (as Canerican pointed out). It is a reasonable assumption that most of the new births were from new immigrants, given the nationwide trend of falling rates of childbirth and general aging of native-born Americans.
It is also a fact that many immigrants account for out-migration as well. After establishing themselves, many move to other parts of the country, again for cost and quality-of-life reasons.
Well,
I am one of those people that will soon be moving back to New York State from Raleigh, NC. And I live in North Raleigh to boot!
Why ?
Because I am so homesick I could scream!
I am an R.N. with over 20 yrs experience. I DO NOT want to work for 17.00.
Whether I return to WNY or NYC will be dependent on whether I find a job willing to pay me.
But honestly I would love to come home!
I love Raleigh but its not home.
I have been wracking my brain, trying to think outside the box and looking into ways to make a living without having to subject myself to low nursing wages, working in hostile work enviroments and overall becoming a slave just so I can go home. I am even willing to look into Ebay and have someone teach me how to do it so I can go home.
I have thought about having my own business and looking into SCORE and other ways to teach myself to think outside the box.
I am happy they have a dog park there, something that is VERY popular in Raleigh but just wish they would have a Trader Joes, Whole Foods and some other places that have grown on me.
But honestly I love Wegmans and defintely will be looking forward to that.Speaking of Wegmans I would even be willing to work for them. They have an excellent reputation as an Employer. But again... I am not working for minimum wage.
Sorry just will not go backwards in that respect.
But I am coming home and I am doing my darndest to make that happen!
Well,
I am one of those people that will soon be moving back to New York State from Raleigh, NC. And I live in North Raleigh to boot!
Why ?
Because I am so homesick I could scream!
I am an R.N. with over 20 yrs experience. I DO NOT want to work for 17.00.
Whether I return to WNY or NYC will be dependent on whether I find a job willing to pay me.
But honestly I would love to come home!
I love Raleigh but its not home.
I have been wracking my brain, trying to think outside the box and looking into ways to make a living without having to subject myself to low nursing wages, working in hostile work enviroments and overall becoming a slave just so I can go home. I am even willing to look into Ebay and have someone teach me how to do it so I can go home.
I have thought about having my own business and looking into SCORE and other ways to teach myself to think outside the box.
I am happy they have a dog park there, something that is VERY popular in Raleigh but just wish they would have a Trader Joes, Whole Foods and some other places that have grown on me.
But honestly I love Wegmans and defintely will be looking forward to that.Speaking of Wegmans I would even be willing to work for them. They have an excellent reputation as an Employer. But again... I am not working for minimum wage.
Sorry just will not go backwards in that respect.
But I am coming home and I am doing my darndest to make that happen!
I can relate to being homesick ... I am here in Holly Springs near Fuquay Varina - its too hot to me ... can't enjoy driving a convertible down here most of the summer ...
... and there is no Chestnut Ridge Park type places here with tobaggon chutes ...
.... if only my wife wasn't paid so much down here - she would probably be willing to move up there (if I do all the driving in the winter )
Well,
I am one of those people that will soon be moving back to New York State from Raleigh, NC. And I live in North Raleigh to boot!
Why ?
Because I am so homesick I could scream!
I am an R.N. with over 20 yrs experience. I DO NOT want to work for 17.00.
Whether I return to WNY or NYC will be dependent on whether I find a job willing to pay me.
But honestly I would love to come home!
I love Raleigh but its not home.
I have been wracking my brain, trying to think outside the box and looking into ways to make a living without having to subject myself to low nursing wages, working in hostile work enviroments and overall becoming a slave just so I can go home. I am even willing to look into Ebay and have someone teach me how to do it so I can go home.
I have thought about having my own business and looking into SCORE and other ways to teach myself to think outside the box.
I am happy they have a dog park there, something that is VERY popular in Raleigh but just wish they would have a Trader Joes, Whole Foods and some other places that have grown on me.
But honestly I love Wegmans and defintely will be looking forward to that.Speaking of Wegmans I would even be willing to work for them. They have an excellent reputation as an Employer. But again... I am not working for minimum wage.
Sorry just will not go backwards in that respect.
But I am coming home and I am doing my darndest to make that happen!
You might be in luck, because health care is one of the industries that is doing fine in Upstate NY. Here in Syracuse, you always see ads for nursing jobs.
Oh yes, chestnut Ridge.. hmmm i havent thought about that place in a while.
Well, lol... I sit here in front of my computer screen watching youtube videos on Elmwood ave and Buffalo scenes.
Now you know... how pathetic is that?
LMAO.
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Because we are a nanny state, the government is trying to take over every aspect of our lives and regulate us to death.
If only I was able to move away right now I would. Ah, this has my blood boiling! See you later Paterson, another taxpayer is heading "anywhere but here."
FYI crimes committed using .50 ammunition are very rare according to the left-leaning violence policy only 4 violent crimes have been committed using .50 BMG ammo (although they list more crimes (mostly illegal possession) of these guns)
Here's another link (http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=166&issue=099 - broken link)
Make no mistake, this is just a bill to harass legal gun owners, and make it impossibly expensive for regular folks to own firearms.
Aaaah! Currently in the 11th year of my exodus from WNY and realize from reading these kinds of posts that I finally have gotten the whole rotten mess of life in Buffalo out of my system. What a relief to no longer be concerned with the BS one puts up with just to survive there. It's just hard to believe how depressing Buffalo is until you've been away for awhile and how liberating it is to know that you will never have to live there again. Occasionally, a happy memory from there crosses my mind but is soon forgotten (there were a few, but not many). I'm just thankful I was able to get out and finally stop looking back!
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