Newburgh, NY: Police State (Yonkers: high crime, hotel, houses)

[sheistbugz]

in the city your talking about. They always try different things, nothing works. still bad.

[Dr Funky]

Originally Posted by sheistbugz

in the city your talking about. They always try different things, nothing works. still bad.

Bulldoze it

[Jason_Els]

Originally Posted by Dr Funky

Bulldoze it

Then you'd be leveling one of the most architecturally significant sites in the United States. Better to clear-out the people and start over. The city is in desperate need of gentrification.

[sheistbugz]

the problem is, so many of the people are ruining it. It'd be hard to clear em all out. All 50000 or so. IDK

[Timmo]

Maybe the only way to save Newburgh is to establish a four-year college in the heart of the city. Got this idea after looking at the picture thread of Ithaca. Most cities/areas that survived have a college presence in them. What do you think?

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by Timmo

Maybe the only way to save Newburgh is to establish a four-year college in the heart of the city. Got this idea after looking at the picture thread of Ithaca. Most cities/areas that survived have a college presence in them. What do you think?

That in itself will not work.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Newburgh and Ithaca do not have the same demographics. Ithaca is a very small town and never developed the problems of larger cities. Ithaca does NOT have ghettos, gangs, inner city drug problems etc.

Placing a college in the middle of ghetto neighborhoods does not do much to help. Look at Syracuse, NY. Syracuse University is located right next to downtown and there are still ghettos, crime, drugs etc spreading all over the city.

Syracuse, NY
Ghettos + bad economy + college = no positive change in city neighborhoods

Ithaca, NY
Good economy + college = lovely attractive city neighborhoods

[bellafinzi]

I'd even go so far in saying that Rochester's situation is much better than Syracuse's. Rochester's major colleges are located outside the City of Rochester in nice suburban areas.

In Syracuse, the college students are scared to go off campus because it is surrounded by ghetto run-down neighborhoods. Therefore, Syracuse University students have a negative perception of Syracuse and quickly leave after graduation. Then go around the country making fun of Syracuse since their only experience with the area was ghetto neighborhoods. In Rochester, the major colleges are surrounded by nice suburban neighborhoods and attractive commercial development. The college graduates there have a more positive view of Rochester since the areas around the college was so nice.

My point is this. Since Syracuse University is located in the city, students end up hating Syracuse and have no desire to stay and work in the Syracuse area. Those SU students travel the country telling everyone "Syracuse sucks" and give Syracuse a bad reputation. The opposite is true in Rochester. The students have a more positive view on Rochester, are more likely to stick around after college and are less likely to ruin Rochester's national reputation.

[Jason_Els]

Originally Posted by Timmo

Maybe the only way to save Newburgh is to establish a four-year college in the heart of the city. Got this idea after looking at the picture thread of Ithaca. Most cities/areas that survived have a college presence in them. What do you think?

Mount Saint Mary's is a four year and it's in the heart of Newburgh. Close enough to hear the gunshots from the parking lot as I recall with no fondness.

The state does not want Newburgh rehabbed. It, with Middletown and Port Jervis, is where all their Democratic votes come from in a largely Republican county. The city government doesn't want change either. They like the status quo.

[Timmo]

Thanks Bellafinzi and Jason,

When I thought about the idea, your comments made a lot of sense. It reminded me of my alma mater, Fordham, and how no one left campus except to go to Manhattan, which you can get to by the shuttle.

Well, it was nice throwing the idea out there. It really shows that you need proper (and sincere) leadership and planning from the beginning, instead of trying to fix a major problem later.

[Dr Funky]

get jobs in there