New York's Young People Fleeing the State (Buffalo, Albany: relocate, property taxes)

[Upstate Dave]

Originally Posted by NickL28

If so many people from the NYC metro area & Long Island are headed to NC then it will be like NJ in a few years especially with all these obnoxious surburban transplants with their holier than thou attitudes and their supersized SUV's.

The places I would look at are Austin TX, San Antonio, Phoenix, Colombus Ohio or even where I am now -- Northern CT (much different than Fairfield County).

As opposed to your well reasoned and objective opinion.....

[Stac2007]

My wife and I are going to be moving out of New York sooner than a duck can release its waste. We are both young teachers but can't afford to purchase a home in the state we grew up in. Rockland county taxes are terrible high and teaching jobs are few. My side of the family has been living in the south for nine years but my wife's parents who are very affluent are staying put. We have saved enough money for a down payment for our first home, but my selfish in-laws are putting pressure on my wife to stay and take care of her father who has Alzheimer’s. My in-laws have more money and land in Rockland County than most people, but are cheap when it comes to spending capital on what is important. They are slum lords and my wife and I have living in one of their slum homes for more that a few years. I can say that when you live in house with rotting and falling out windows and doors, faulty plumbing and a leaky roof, you push yourself to work even harder so that your dreams come true. The only thing that separates me from my initial teaching certificate is my student teaching. When that task is completed this coming December we will be leaving for South Carolina. New York is all about materialism and the wealthy selfish older people who reside here care not about the difficulties which the younger generation endures. I can't wait to get leave New York and live in my own home. We saved every cent of our down payment and received not a penny from anyone. The state does not care that young professional couples are leaving in great numbers. It is only concerned with collecting taxes. Well baby boomers with no young couples to purchase your homes, you are stuck paying the high taxes which you helped to establish. You wanted the value of your homes to increase; well you got what you wanted. How does it taste?

[Rachael84]

I previously posted saying my boyfriend (26 y/o) and I (23) would be moving to Las Vegas...well, looks like we won't be. Teacher salaries out there are awfully low, which is the #1 reason we aren't moving there. We would be living paycheck to paycheck basically. No teacher union there, and we would have barely anything at retirement. Our combined income at retirement there would be the same as what we will be making in just 3 years here. So for that reason, we are staying on Long Island. We can live a lot better here money-wise. I would rather be in Las Vegas, but it won't work out financially.

[NickL28]

Originally Posted by Stac2007

My wife and I are going to be moving out of New York sooner than a duck can release its waste. We are both young teachers but can't afford to purchase a home in the state we grew up in. Rockland county taxes are terrible high and teaching jobs are few. My side of the family has been living in the south for nine years but my wife's parents who are very affluent are staying put. We have saved enough money for a down payment for our first home, but my selfish in-laws are putting pressure on my wife to stay and take care of her father who has Alzheimer’s. My in-laws have more money and land in Rockland County than most people, but are cheap when it comes to spending capital on what is important. They are slum lords and my wife and I have living in one of their slum homes for more that a few years. I can say that when you live in house with rotting and falling out windows and doors, faulty plumbing and a leaky roof, you push yourself to work even harder so that your dreams come true. The only thing that separates me from my initial teaching certificate is my student teaching. When that task is completed this coming December we will be leaving for South Carolina. New York is all about materialism and the wealthy selfish older people who reside here care not about the difficulties which the younger generation endures. I can't wait to get leave New York and live in my own home. We saved every cent of our down payment and received not a penny from anyone. The state does not care that young professional couples are leaving in great numbers. It is only concerned with collecting taxes. Well baby boomers with no young couples to purchase your homes, you are stuck paying the high taxes which you helped to establish. You wanted the value of your homes to increase; well you got what you wanted. How does it taste?

You are right about the extreme materialism and snottiness (that is endemic in the 'posh' suburbs of Westchester, rockland & Long Island). But these people who drive humungeous SUVS + the attitudes of conspicuous consumption, and overt hostility toward those not in their little cliques was one of the many reasons I left the NYC metro area. I moved to central CT near Hartford which is much better and I am making $10,000 more and was able to keep renting my apt. in Flushing Queens (only a 2 hour drive).

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by LiptonGuy

I grew up in Albany-Schenectady-Troy region myself (town of Rotterdam to be exact). I moved to Ohio when I was 15; been living here ever since.

I never realized what a beautiful state New York was, until I came back for periodic visits. And the summers never seemed so hot-n-muggy (in N.Y.), as they do in here Toledo, Ohio (next to Lake Erie).

I sometimes play with the idea of moving back there. I was just talking with a friend from the area, on the phone today. But then I consider the job market, taxes and cost of living and think "Maybe this isn't the best idea for me." I don't mind the snowy winters too much.

My gut says "move back," but then logic says "Don't move back."

I hear this same situation from many others, but for CNY. So many people waiting to move back, but not until the economy gets much better and the taxes go down.

[Stac2007]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

I hear this same situation from many others, but for CNY. So many people waiting to move back, but not until the economy gets much better and the taxes go down.

My friend I would not hold your breath on the possibility that New York is going to get better. The country has lost a lot of jobs to nations like China and India. Since New York is one of the expensive states to do business in because of the taxes, naturally the state would be one of the first to feel this economic decline. The tax burned is then shifted onto the homeowners who then must fork up the difference. So you see the baby boomers are stuck like a bug on fly paper. We can't afford to live in New York so we leave to the new growing cities in the south with a growing job market, new shopping, roads and affordable houses exist. Can New York compete with that? No. All of the great amenities New York has to offer doesn’t really matter if you are not working or your salary is very low!

[nadinethehowlingdemocrat]

When I graduated college years ago, my dream was to live in NY. A southern girl I wanted to see the bright lights and have that whirlwhind life and make all of that big money. Well my dreams came true. Now that I am retired, I moved back to Ga. I visit New York but, I can say that if you want to keep young people, the taxes will have to be lowered and those government programs need to be minimized because they may help on one hand but drain the other.

As a young woman there was a balance and just enough to do in NY to keep me interested. Now, it is too much to do there until it is confusing and in most cases, lacks social intimacy. The rural cities are today what NY was in my day.

But things go full circle. In about ten more years, New York will be the place to live again. I retired back home. When I left here, this was the country. Now, what was once long lonely dirt roads have become asphalt four lanes leading to other cities and malls. Pretty soon, the population will explode as it did in New York and the people will seek a less congested area as New York is becoming.

Just relax. In Ga now, but In New York at least four times a year to visit or to see a play. I love you New York but I am too old to come back.

lower the taxes, if areas are rebuilt, rebuild as subdivisions instead of condos and apartment houses, decreases the density of houses per square mile, reduce the number of government houses, enforce environmental codes in neighborhoods.

Doing the things that will get the city back on the right tract is enough to create jobs for young people.

[Gllt39]

I used to live near Hamburg Beach, South of Buffalo. I went to H.S there. I graduated from UB in 1979, and the city had the same problems now as it had then.

High property taxes, no jobs, and bone chilling winters. I moved to Colorado after graduation and haven't ever found a reason to leave Colorado.

I did return to Buffalo for a visit several years ago, and I described it to a friend as a "basket case".

The Buffalo area had it's heyday in the 1950's and 1960's when there were plenty of manufactiring jobs there (Bethlehem Steel, Trico, Chevrolet) Many of those jobs disappeared in the 1970's and the city has not been able to recover. I remember when I left Buffalo seeing a billboard that asked "Will the last person who leaves please turn out the lights?" And that was in December 1980.

I am now ready to retire and would consider Erie County except for one thing...PROPERTY/School TAXES

Housing prices are cheap compared to the rest of the country, but the property taxes are ridiculous. I believe that is why many people on fixed incomes (retirees) moved out of state, and will be a prohibitive factor for ex-WNY'ers from ever returning.

That is also one reason why younger people also leave. Would you rather pay more for a nicer house that has less taxes, or buy a older house that even after it is paid off, will cost you $400 per mo?

There will always be an exodus from New York until 2 things are addressed..
1-Jobs
2-Property taxes

[aka_mouse]

Originally Posted by Gllt39

I am now ready to retire and would consider Erie County except for one thing...PROPERTY/School TAXES

There will always be an exodus from New York until 2 things are addressed..
1-Jobs
2-Property taxes

We dont want you retirees if this is how you are. You guys ***** about things like school taxes. I grew up and currently live in Hamburg and I know the schools here are excellent quality. So is UB. Its the taxes collected that were used to fund those instutions that allowed you to get educated and then leave.

Then you think you shouldn't put back into the infrastructure of an area you want to live in?

Seriously there is nothing more annoying than old people or retired people complaining about school taxes just cause they don't currently have kids in them... way to go

[Gllt39]

akamouse..
We dont want you retirees if this is how you are. You guys ***** about things like school taxes.
I own 2 homes in Colorado and I pay taxes in Colorado. I also pay school taxes in Colorado. The quality of schools in Colorado are exceptional. We have the largest poplation of college graduates in the country.

Its the taxes collected that were used to fund those instutions that allowed you to get educated and then leave.

My parents paid property and school taxes. I attended UB under the GI Bill after serving in Viet-Nam. I also worked at the University to help pay my expenses. I suppose you feel that personally paid for my education.

Then you think you shouldn't put back into the infrastructure of an area you want to live in?

Yes. I am willing to support the local government and school. The problem is at what cost? and what benefit...Just to pay larger pensions to state employees?

Seriously there is nothing more annoying than old people or retired people complaining about school taxes just cause they don't currently have kids in them... way to go

I believe there is nothing more annoying than people like you whom make assumptions that I'm complaining about school taxes cause I don't have kids in school. The NY state government is bloated and it is your state pensions that are a source of your high property and school taxes. It is not the quality of education that costs so much. Otherwise NY would have the highest number of college graduates living there.

It has been years since I have encountered such a provincial attitude. I could argue that is was my serving in Viet-Nam that allowed you to attend school. That makes as much sense as your line of reasoning.