New York's Young People Fleeing the State (Buffalo, Syracuse: cul-de-sac, unemployed)

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by Upstate Dave

Really? I must not have heard about these. No offense, but I don't recall much news about these new jobs (I live in Rochester). I remember when Harris Corp (maker of military radios) was just starting to get the big contracts a few years ago, MANY local techs & engineers (myself included) applied for all the new jobs being created (and there were new jobs created). There were MANY more people applying than available jobs. It's a very tough job market here for those 75K positions.

I too agree this is good news, and I would love to know more about these new companies & jobs being added to the area.

What is the difficult thing to comprehend regarding new job creation always revolves around the cost of doing business in NYS. In simplistic terms, taxes are not paid by the business, but passed on to the consumer. When all the fees and property taxes and mandated stuff is totaled up, during economic downturns some NYS businesses struggle to stay competitive.

And when these new jobs are added based on government incentives (tax breaks), who pays the difference? (again simplistic, but...) The existing businesses pay the dif. What incentive is there for the existing businesses to add more jobs outside of maintaining the business... or sauntering up to the trough?

It was more like 50 jobs going to be new for rochester.The rest are people that they already had. The jobs are for research so most jobs will be tech. Also on the topic Rnew(cable channel 9) last week stated upstate ny was 2nd worst area for brain drain in the U.S.

But even if it was 500 jobs that would do nothing for a very weak job market in rochester.

[laughter4141]

hey, what was the first area for brain drain if you recall? I am curious. Thanks.

[I'minformed2]

Who knows....according to the D&C, after further "investigation", experts are now saying that Upstate NY doesnt suffer from a "brain drain", but rather a lack of "brain gain".....there aren't an exceptionaly high number of well educated people moving out of the area, as they said before...but rather a much lower than average number of higher educated people moving IN to upstate NY....If the region were a state by itself, it would have the lowest in-migraiton of college educated professionals (Louissiana has the lowest). There aren't many more people moving out of Upstate NY than most other areas of the US...there are just FAR fewer moving in.

[Jiminy274]

All I know is that I am leaving tomorrow for a job in the South. I've tried to stick around upstate NY for the past year since graduating. The working environment for young people in this area, in my humble opinion, resembles the movie Office Space. My friends also agree. I have had to live with 3 roomates and it was more because our jobs were so lame and horrible. This area is my home but too many people are going nowhere spinning their wheels. People need to realize this and not create lame jobs for us.

So far in the relocation process, I've had the moving company tell me how no one ever moves into Rochester, NY anymore but always out, and everyone I've had to have contact with is from either Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester, or Utica. MAybe if we can't turn it around, we could just RELOCATE the whole city to a city in the South. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sonnenwende]

Originally Posted by i'minformed

Who knows....according to the D&C, after further "investigation", experts are now saying that Upstate NY doesnt suffer from a "brain drain", but rather a lack of "brain gain".....there aren't an exceptionaly high number of well educated people moving out of the area, as they said before...but rather a much lower than average number of higher educated people moving IN to upstate NY....If the region were a state by itself, it would have the lowest in-migraiton of college educated professionals (Louissiana has the lowest). There aren't many more people moving out of Upstate NY than most other areas of the US...there are just FAR fewer moving in.

Yeah, found what you were talking about here...Very recent info:

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/r...glance1_07.pdf

[smalltownusa]

Originally Posted by i'minformed

Who knows....according to the D&C, after further "investigation", experts are now saying that Upstate NY doesnt suffer from a "brain drain", but rather a lack of "brain gain".....there aren't an exceptionaly high number of well educated people moving out of the area, as they said before...but rather a much lower than average number of higher educated people moving IN to upstate NY....If the region were a state by itself, it would have the lowest in-migraiton of college educated professionals (Louissiana has the lowest). There aren't many more people moving out of Upstate NY than most other areas of the US...there are just FAR fewer moving in.

As always iminformed, you are and you posted exactly what I was going to say....we don't lose but we don't gain in this area as so commonly thought. I was somewhat surprised by the stats but they makes sense. I know of so many who were born here, moved for a while and moved back to raise families....I wonder where they fall into the mix?

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by Sonnenwende

Yeah, found what you were talking about here...Very recent info:

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/r...glance1_07.pdf

Does any one have any idea's why this is occuring?

I have a couple Ideas about what is going on with migration.
One is that most students that are in college in upstate in census terms are counted in there home town/city instead of the town that colleges are located. For example I was in college at u Albany during the last census but I was counted in the Rochester population because my primary residence was at my parents home. Another issue is that no one is leaving and no is going out. My theory is that at one point in the past time there was a heavy out-migration and that drove the group’s population down to a very low. Now if the number is so low compared to other periods this may have caused a plateau effect. Because in-migration is need to offset the out-migration. So the article is correct on the current trend of migration but at one point there was a large out-migration.

The only problem New York will have to address in the future is how it is going to take care of the large offset aging population verses a smaller younger work force. If the younger workforce leaves the state it could have big problems. But it is also possible the aging population may migrate out due to higher expenses.

[Upstate Dave]

Originally Posted by shibainu

The only problem New York will have to address in the future is how it is going to take care of the large offset aging population verses a smaller younger work force. If the younger workforce leaves the state it could have big problems. But it is also possible the aging population may migrate out due to higher expenses.

Yeah, I can agree with this. The overall population of retired people in the state will climb to 16% projected of the total.

As far as population growth goes, the state is seeing a very low rate of increase compared with the rest of the country (all state see an increase). That low rate and our changing demographics will be the big issues of the future.

[CampingMom]

The problem is that no real good jobs are coming into NY. Down here in Dutchess 300 more got laid off at IBM East Fishkill in recent weeks. You can't survive working in the service industry, the pay is the lowest. I would like to go upstate, but really would we be able to live on what we might find for jobs? I may have a degree in Hospitality and Tourism, but that's in that low sector of pay. And how many outfits are up that way that hubby could become a concrete saleman/plant superintendent at? We'd both have to start all over again and with high taxes, insurance that seem to follow one no matter where you live in the state, it's no wonder we are losing jobs and people.

[I'minformed2]

Originally Posted by smalltownusa

As always iminformed, you are and you posted exactly what I was going to say....we don't lose but we don't gain in this area as so commonly thought. I was somewhat surprised by the stats but they makes sense. I know of so many who were born here, moved for a while and moved back to raise families....I wonder where they fall into the mix?

They're....ME!..I think a common term used now is "Boomerangs"....people who move away, then return home several years later. I'd be really interested in seeing any stats on that type of migration. My guess is that metro with the largest number of "boomerangs" would be Pittsburgh, but I bet Rochester would be pretty high up on the list too Like you, I know many people who have moved away from the area, and come back within 5 years...I took a little longer to come back, but think that' I'd still fit into that category.