New York's Young People Fleeing the State (Rochester, Albany: property tax, living in)

[wanderlust08]

I am throwing my two cents into this ring because I have lived in the Hudson Valley for most of my life and I cannot stomach what is about to happen during this new recession-depression. I am actually on this site quite often trying to figure out where to go next. I left after college in the late 70's and returned in the late 80's. If it weren't for the fact that I bought a home in 1995 when prices were low and sold it in 2003 when they were high, (and bought a less expensive home) I couldn't afford to live here and I am a baby-boomer!

Why can't Ulster County be the next Solar Consortium? Why are our taxes taxing the senior citizens and the young people out of the state? Why can't the counties of the Hudson Valley work together
for the good of the people?

Municipalities must stop giving tax incentives to religious groups and big box stores;
Lottery money must be spent on education ONLY; and health care must be made universal, single-payer (because most city property tax goes to the health care costs of city workers!

I like Patterson, as long as he continues to be realistic. School systems have to get realistic. People have to get realistic. If I live above my means, I may drown in debt; that goes for school systems, municipalities and county governments.

Health insurance doesn't keep us healthy, and as it stands now, it can actually make us sick.
That's what New York will be paying for over the next 5 or more decades due to the aging population. This state is run by lawyers, bankers and realtors and they only care about one thing - money!

The only way the Hudson Valley is going to survive this economic climate is to CHANGE it's mindset, as the last post said. We must become environmentally competitive, fiscally lean, and plan our development for youth and growth using alternative energy. We have a great farming climate here and organic farms should be given the tax breaks, not the religious groups!

[OCNYISHOME]

Wanderlust............there are very few realtors who would not endorse tax reduction to stem the population outflow.........the Hudson Valley would be recession proof if taxes were not soooooo high. Jersey gas is 30cents cheaper, low re taxes lead to the Pike county boomlet............and solar...well there is about as much a market for those as hybrid cars as solar in the north east.........and single payer care.why not try it....just cause it fails everywhere else does not mean we can not make it work???????????????

[enfadarse]

Poughkeepsie NY is a hell-hole if you hail from a modern or a cosmopolitan area. You'll find the people dim-witted and rude, close-minded, and oft-times bigoted. The surrounding towns typically are dumpy, as the hey-days for most of the upstate cities were decades ago....Employment is scarce. If you hail originally from a modern or big city...."cities" like Poughkeepsie, Arlington, Kingston, Hopewell, Pleasant Valley, and Pine Bush are laughable....it really is the north-east equivalent of the "sticks"......customer service is non-existent in stores.....public-schools are a joke.......and everyone who's there... never left......so the gene-pool and intellectual (ha!)-pools have fermented beyond belief over the years...... As someone who lived there for 18 years......LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!!!...those of you who have been fortunate to live somewhere else know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Those of you whose families have been there for 4 decades or more and have never left, are going to be mad about this post.....but that's okay..... your ignorance is bliss.

[riverdaleny]

i think the people upstate are most likely to leave, than downstate,t here not much to do upstate, and downstate has the city, so there will always be jobs.

[RS085]

Originally Posted by TANaples

Then you will see how little where you are from in NY matters. You are a New Yorker, period. Whether you are from Brooklyn or Buffalo, it will not matter.

Right.

Theres too much resentment towards the word itself, because our biggest city has the same name as the state, so people act as if they're not even New Yorkers.


People need to realize that generally across the US, people refer to themselves by their state, regardless of state conflict.

When you say "New York" you get thrown in with the NY reputation, regardless of where in the state you're from, no matter how many times you try to explain.

Generally speaking, if you're not a "New Yorker" then what the hell are you? You're not from any other of the 49 states.

[I'minformed2]

You're an "upstate new yorker". That's how I've always distinguished it. If you do go to the other 49 states if people ask where you are from and you say "New York"...they automatically assume you are talking about the city. So if you are from upstate ny, you say "upstate new york". Not that hard of a concept really.

[RS085]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

You're an "upstate new yorker". That's how I've always distinguished it. If you do go to the other 49 states if people ask where you are from and you say "New York"...they automatically assume you are talking about the city. So if you are from upstate ny, you say "upstate new york". Not that hard of a concept really.

Upstate/downstate, etc. are regional reference terms, they're not official states.

Whether you're from Potsdam, Rochester or Brooklyn, you're in New York and you are a "New Yorker."

Nobody gives a **** what part you come from, besides, you're not condemned to the one area of the state you live in for the rest of your life. You do move around within the state.

[I'minformed2]

Seriously...how many people just name the state they are from if they are abroad and somebody asks "where are you from?" Most will give the city/metropolitan area/region. If you are in another state or another country and making smalltalk; when a person says where you are from you say "Chicago", "San Diego", " St Louis" etc....not "Illinois" "California" , or "Missouri" for the most part. When I lived in NC people would ask where I was originally from and I'd say "Upstate New York" or "Rochester, New York". When a person says they are from "New York"...they are generally talking about NYC, Long Island, or Westchester. Basically they mean the New York City Metro area.

Unless someone is very specific or it is a offical document or something that asks what STATE you live in; you don't just generally say "New York"

[RS085]

Originally Posted by I'minformed2

Most will give the city/metropolitan area/region.

Not in my experiences, and i've been all over.

Travel more.

Also, not everyone lives in cities, they're from smaller cities or towns within that respective state, which is another reason.

So generally speaking, you hear the state way more often than the city/town. The odds of a stranger knowing your state are far greater than your city/town.

and regardless, whether you live in Albany, Rochester or down in the city, you still say New York.

[Tioga]

...I've traveled...a bunch..if you don't mention the city/or say "upstate", most people assume you are from NYC.