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Old 10-19-2013, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Phoenix Arizona
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I'm curious how different this thread would have turned out if instead of finding out her father was visiting and participating in racist sites he was visiting and participating in child pornography sites?
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Old 10-19-2013, 07:33 AM
 
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I'm curious how different this thread would have turned out if instead of finding out her father was visiting and participating in racist sites he was visiting and participating in child pornography sites?
Indeed apparently racism is better than child pornography.
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Old 10-19-2013, 11:07 AM
 
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Just about every person alive is racist. Go anywhere in public and you will see people stick to their own race almost exclusively. Whites hang out with whites, blacks hang out with blacks, etc. People feel more comfortable with people who look like them and share their same cultural values. It's human nature.

As far as visiting the S*****t site, I don't see anything wrong with it. Blacks and Hispanics have all sorts of websites that cater specifically to them. What is wrong with having a site that caters specifically to Whites?
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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I would really like to believe that your post is true concerning the situation, but there's overwhelming evidence that it isn't. A curious person would not post the stuff that his moniker did. I can't even bring myself to even quote or paraphrase some of the things, I'm so disgusted.

It's possible that he wasn't racist in the past but now he is.
So what? He raised you, and you apparently like yourself to the extent you think you are better or superior in some way. If he is not sharing his thoughts with you, then what difference does it make, assuming you are an adult. You don't have to seek his approval, he is entitled to his opinions and you yours.
This is all suspect and you're probably making a big stink about nothing. He gave you life and provided for you, that does not mean you get to control him.
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:28 PM
 
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A baby not being familiar with a person of a different ethnicity (someone who looks distinctly different to the people the baby is used to) is not the same as a bigoted, fully matured human being who is able to think for himself. Just my thoughts.
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Yes, your dad could have been radicalized after being benign about such things most of his life. The airwaves, TV, internet, etc. are filled with hate. As he gets older, life may seem more insecure for him, the world more dangerous, more confusing, financially frightening, etc.

Hate groups offer common comfort to frightened people. They're simplistic in their thinking. And simple views appeal to people who find the world chaotic. It's also possible that your father was always this way, but never had any reason to overtly express his views. Even the worst racists are usually polite in public.

What should you do about it ? In my opinion, probably nothing. You're an adult, you're out on your own. Who he is has nothing to do with who you are or how you live your life.
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Fofina, you say you love your father. Try to remember that he chose not to pass on his bigotry to you. That's huge.
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Perhaps it is a struggle even he deals with - but clearly he has hid it well and knows it is not generally acceptable.


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I think Stormfront is just a nationalist forum, not to confused with a racist forum.
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As far as visiting the S*****t site, I don't see anything wrong with it. Blacks and Hispanics have all sorts of websites that cater specifically to them. What is wrong with having a site that caters specifically to Whites?
The problem is that, oddly enough, websites that cater specifically to whites can't seem to avoid turning into a "bash everyone else" parade of white supremacy where their "nationalism/separatism" is driven by the belief that mixing with (or, in many cases, even living in the vicinity of) non-whites will spoil their superiority by tainting their purity, which is only deserving of being preserved because they're the master race.

They inevitably crumble into havens for blissfully targeting non-whites as objects of ridicule and contempt and spewing skewed, exaggerated depictions of non-whites while spreading misinformation that supports said depictions whereas websites catering to non-whites have a funny way of just being about embracing and exploring their own backgrounds without belittling or proving to be above someone else.

And when someone steps out of line on those sites and spews something racist, more often than not, they get called on it, unlike sites the likes of $tormfront wherein users let it slide because it's okay there. Nothing's wrong with white people having their own sites other than them not knowing how to play nice like the other kiddies

I'm unfortunately familiar with $tormfront in particular and in some ways consider it more obnoxious than other racist sites because it hides its racism behind the curtain of white pride. While I agree that there are users on it who prefer not to be nasty about their views, they still have them and I don't distinguish between a nice racist and a mean one any more than I'd distinguish between a rapist who brutally attacks you in your home and a rapist who buys you dinner first.

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Are you guys left-wing weirdos? To left-wing weirdos anyone who isn't a left-wing weirdo is a "Racist".

If you look at American black culture, there's plenty to criticize. But left-wing weirdos have assigned American black culture to a godlike protected status, immune from any kind of observation at all. This is not only dishonest but destructive to American black people.
There's plenty to criticize about many groups. The problem is when that becomes justification for discriminating against those groups and regarding them as inferior to you, subjecting them to undue scrutiny without the compassion or benefit of the doubt that you'd give any other group or yourself.

There's a difference between voicing genuine concern for issues plaguing a community and being a racist who only points to the problems they see to validate their racism against that group.

American black culture seems "protected" from observation because people who aren't racist are aware that those who fall under that second category are the only ones who make what's wrong with black people their go-to topic of conversation every chance they get and they don't want to give them the satisfaction.

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So now people are racist if they wouldn't consider dating outside of their race, or would not encourage close family members doing so.

I'm not familiar with the site so maybe it's much more hardcore than I'm thinking....but making generalizations doesn't necessarily make someone hateful to individuals. You can have many many friends outside of your own race (and sexuality, religion, etc) If you don't pre judge an individual just bc of his race, sex, color, etc. is it so wrong to have general observations about a demograph as a whole? Especially when supported by statistics?
People aren't now racist for it, they always have been. It's just so common that it's excused. "Like with like" is easy, expected, preferred, makes everybody comfortable and keeps everything simple and we're conditioned to be that way. I don't think people are Hitlers for it, it's just how things are.

But I still recognize that if the only reason you won't date someone or don't want someone else to date someone is because of their race, it's racial discrimination, by definition. When it comes to racism in general, lack of hatefulness is irrelevant and so are statistics.

Especially considering how many statistics aren't worth the paper they're printed on anyway, which doesn't really matter since people don't question numbers when they support the feelings they already have.

Let's be honest. Who says, "I'm going to randomly look up statistics on a subject I don't ever think about or have any opinions on. *reading* Hmm. Based on these statistics I just researched, I'm now going to feel a certain way about a particular ethnic group!"

Nah. It's the other way around. They feel a certain way about an ethnic group, then when someone presents statistics that are in line with the way they feel, they're drawn to those statistics and adopt them into their reasoning after the fact lol

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Old 10-20-2013, 07:57 AM
 
Location: locked in a castle
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OP should date a black guy and bring him home.


The results... hilarious.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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So what? He raised you, and you apparently like yourself to the extent you think you are better or superior in some way. If he is not sharing his thoughts with you, then what difference does it make, assuming you are an adult. You don't have to seek his approval, he is entitled to his opinions and you yours.
This is all suspect and you're probably making a big stink about nothing. He gave you life and provided for you, that does not mean you get to control him.
But it also doesn't mean the OP has to respect him. My mother moved to South Carolina and almost instantly became a full-time racist. I love her but I pity her. A big ingredient in still being able to have a solid relationship with her is by simply keeping my contempt for her ignorance in a safe place. As is usually the case, racists are usually very ignorant about many things in the world. Seeing her as a hopelessly ignorant person helps. I no longer feel the natural need to repect what she says, I know I am the educated, experienced adult, and she is the backward provincial nudnik.
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Old 10-22-2013, 08:52 AM
 
Location: 60630
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I should probably replace the "think" with "know." I've just moved out of my parents' place and got my own apartment. At the weekend I was getting the last of my stuff. I needed to check something online and I used my dad's laptop. On the Mozilla search engine, the typing of the word "S" brought up the site "Stormfront." The browser's history remembered it. I vaguely remembered a friend telling me about the racists on that site. I clicked on it and was led to a thread that denigrated Blacks and Latinos so disgustingly I couldn't read anymore. The worst part for me, however, wasn't the racist content - it was the fact that the username of one of the posters is a well used moniker my dad has made his own. At first I couldn't believe it, but looking through the history of the browser and finding other links (and many threads) to two more racist sites (and finding that the same moniker was used on those two sites) I've come to the conclusion that my father really is a racist.

I really don't understand it all. He's never displayed any bigoted thoughts before. I grew up in an overwhelmingly white suburb so it wasn't like his "coming out" would antagonize any of the neighbors. One of the things that baffles me, too, is that he routinely watches the NBA and the NFL, both sporting leagues that are majority black. And he also listens to music from a few black soul artists from the 60s and 70s. One of my mother's closest work colleagues is black and there's never been any indication that he dislikes her. It just doesn't make sense. I don't know, perhaps I'm naive - I don't really know about the inner workings of the mind of a racist, but for me he really doesn't fit the category. Any advice on the situation would be appreciated. Or are there people with a similar story?
I have browsed the sf site and noticed there are many members who are there just to argue with the racists? They are almost trolling. Could this be they case?

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Old 10-22-2013, 08:55 AM
 
Location: 60630
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Yes I read the posts. Unfortunately, by the sound of his posts, he fits right in with the bigots on those websites.
Oh...didn't see this.
But still, he never raced you this way. Maybe he is just venting and keeping to himself.

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Old 10-22-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: 60630
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Indeed apparently racism is better than child pornography.
I would say so. Not to mention it is also illegal.


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