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View Poll Results: What would you do?
I'd always own up, no matter what the price 43 68.25%
I'd own up if I though they'd be lenient/if the item was cheap, if expensive i would not 8 12.70%
I wouldn't own up either way if I could get away with it 12 19.05%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-31-2013, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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When it comes to another's property or belongings, it doesn't matter if the act is intentional or accidental. The owner should be held harmless.

I can just hear it now in court, "Well, I didn't mean to cause that accident, total their car and put them in the hospital for weeks. Therefore I shouldn't be liable for damages."

But I guess that a little above some people's comprehension and value system.
Sometimes you gotta wonder what kind of parenting people had or have.
I once stole a bathing suit. My mother made me take it back, tell them what I had done. That shamed me into never stealing anything ever again. I had an excellent mother, may she RIP
Breaking something and not reporting it, is the same as stealing it to me. It's worth is destroyed.
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Old 08-31-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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So you'd only pay for it, if you intentionally broke it? No, you broke it you own it, take it home. You bought it by accident.
Exactly. If I intentionally broke something (like a fool) then I would pay for it.

I bought it by accident is the most absurd thing I've read on here in a long time.
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Old 08-31-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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Wrong. "I didn't see the kid before I backed up officer". Doesn't matter! But for your negligence, the damage would not have been done.
Quite obviously, what you describe would be negligent since the operator of a motor vehicle is required to be aware of what is in the path of their vehicle.

And no one ever disagreed about incidents where negligence is involved. This disagreement is about instances where there are innocent accidents.

And unavoidable accidents do occur. There are cases, quite unfortunate cases, where a child darts out into the street directly into the path of an oncoming car, giving the driver no time to stop or swerve away. It happens.. Sometimes children are killed in this manner, and in that way, yes the damage is done. In these circumstances, however, the driver is not ticketed or otherwise charged with a crime.

They are held blameless because it was not their fault. If the parents of this child sued the driver, they would lose. Why? Because it was an unavoidable accident. I am sure the driver would be sorry, might even be haunted by the incident for the rest of their life, but they would be blameless.


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I once stole a bathing suit. My mother made me take it back, tell them what I had done. That shamed me into never stealing anything ever again. ...
Breaking something and not reporting it, is the same as stealing it to me. It's worth is destroyed.
Perhaps being so traumatized by this incident of being shamed by your mother is what has made you unable to discern the difference between breaking something and stealing something. Perhaps you are still trying to make amends for the stolen bathing suit from long ago, so you try to pay for items innocently broken, because you subconsciously are still seeking forgiveness for this incident, where you were quite clearly a naughty little boy (I DO hope you were a little boy!)and quite in the wrong. In cases like this, professional help can often be quite valuable and lead to a reasonable recovery from the pain of the shaming incident.

Good luck.

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Old 08-31-2013, 07:59 PM
 
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True Story:

I once brought my bull into a china shop and I didn't pay for anything that was broken and I, to this day, don't feel bad about it.

1) There was no sign indicating that bulls (or any other type of animal, for that matter) were not allowed

2) The only thing he broke was his own record for how quickly he was able to get the store owner to start screaming about how no bulls are allowed
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Old 08-31-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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And no one ever disagreed about incidents where negligence is involved. This disagreement is about instances where there are innocent accidents.
They cease to be "innocent" when another experiences a loss because of them but you appear to think that's alright.

I am certainly thankful that my parents raised me with a much better value system and sense of responsibility than that.
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Old 09-01-2013, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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It was about groceries when the OP began the thread with dropping and breaking a container of juice. And then in post #3, OP said "I guess putting it back wouldn't have been that bad, would it?" I was clearly stating my low opinion of someone who would put it on the shelf broken and leaking, and not take responsibility for it.

Regarding your last sentence, there is no need to tell me to be that person, I am someone who takes responsibility for my actions.
I guess I shouldn't have said that, either way I'd have felt guilty if I did.
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Old 09-01-2013, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Twin Cities
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They cease to be "innocent" when another experiences a loss because of them but you appear to think that's alright.

I am certainly thankful that my parents raised me with a much better value system and sense of responsibility than that.
Then would the driver who hit the child who darted out be guilty of a crime? Of course not.

And I am not convinced your parents did that great a job. After all you were a thief as a child. I wasn't.

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Old 09-01-2013, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Long Neck,De
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Years ago my son broke what was a decoration in a store. I don't think anyone noticed but we told the lady at checkout. The price they charged us did not cut us any break. We did feel good about setting a good example for our son.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:49 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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Then would the driver who hit the child who darted out be guilty of a crime? Of course not.

And I am not convinced your parents did that great a job. After all you were a thief as a child. I wasn't.
It wasn't me who posted that. Get your facts straight.

Clearly in your philosophy you have to be found guilty of a crime in order to make reparations. That's immoral and absurd.
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Old 09-01-2013, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Beautiful TN!
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I have broken glass in a store before, informed the customer service about it and then left with neither the sales person nor myself asking/informing that the item was to be paid for. I believe that whoever stated that stores have insurance to cover this is correct (what do they do with the items that come in a shipment broken?).

If asked I would barter about the price though, I would not just walk out and say too bad.
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