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Old 09-10-2013, 08:44 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Even with insurance dental work can be expensive. I had a crown put in to fix a cavity and it was $600 AFTER insurance (which the dental office says I got a steal on) by the time I was done not to mention weeks of using my day off to do it. I was a college student living on $12 an hour at the time.
Even if it is a critical tooth, many insurance companies will say "that's cosmetic, we don't pay for that."

One of my eye teeth needed a root canal and crown. Right in front, impacting my appearance and ability to properly consume food. My dentist consulted with the insurance company a number of times, trying to get something out of them, but the answer was "nope." So effing much for paying $80/month for dental coverage. *ssholes I ended up paying $1200 ($300 for the general anesthetic. I'm a dentist-phobe ) out of my own pocket for one freaking tooth.

I consider dental health to be very critical and go twice/year for cleaning and a checkup with x-rays. I dropped my dental insurance and simply pay for it myself. What I pay for dental insurance is more than the $300/year I spend on dental maintenance. The cosmetic part - as in sparkly white teeth? pfffft People are just going to have to suck up to looking at my slightly grey teeth. I'm not going to shell out more $$ for vanity.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Windham County, VT
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However uncommon it is, it's not unheard of: some folks are so scared of the dentist (and/or medical procedures in general) that they procrastinate,
and the only thing that gets them into a dentist's chair is a lot of professional counseling plus some sedative medication (both of which take time to acquire & take effect).
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default Suppose we read the orginal post before attacking?

The original poster was quite clear on what she was talking about - professional people who don't get their teeth fixed. Everybody who is yapping about the high cost of dental care and jumping on the OP for being picky, etc. should have read the post first.

Of course low wage earners or people who lost their jobs in the Great Recession which started in 2008 and have only found part-time work are between a rock and a hard place with regard to their dental care. Of course we all empathize with such people. But that is not what the discussion was about, not at all.

If we are talking about professional people then it is indeed a strange case of misplaced priorities. I wonder how many professional people who need work on their teeth drive a BMW or a Mercedes or similar? I cannot afford a BMW or a Mercedes but I can afford an implant at between three and four grand a pop, even though I was not real happy to have to shell out that money; I have had two of them already and I am only 69. Before someone accuses me of being rich, I am a retired high school teacher.

I've always had dental insurance, but no dental insurance I've ever had pays one thin dime for implants, so I agree implants are a problem area. I understand that is starting to change and that some dental insurance now covers some of the cost for implants. (Yes, I realize that doesn't help people without dental insurance or people with poor or minimal dental insurance.)

I am trying to bring this thread back to the topic as originally conceived, but I rather imagine that is a lost cause.
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Old 09-10-2013, 08:54 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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OP may just have to check her dates' teeth before going out with them.
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Old 09-10-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The original poster was quite clear on what she was talking about - professional people who don't get their teeth fixed. Everybody who is yapping about the high cost of dental care and jumping on the OP for being picky, etc. should have read the post first.
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I am trying to bring this thread back to the topic as originally conceived, but I rather imagine that is a lost cause.
Professional? I'm a professional. 30 years in IT, currently working at a facility where I pass congress people and magistrates in the hallway.

For some of us, it's not an issue. For me, evidence that people keep their teeth clean and maintained is an acceptable bar. If I meet a Snaggletooth, my first thought would be "wow. crazy chompers" then I'd move on to answering their question about the status of a legislative report they requested. A bad impression would develop if I get blasted with dragon breath.

The OP places a high priority on perfect teeth, which is cool for them. For others, it's considered overweening vanity. That the OP demands we share their opinion is argumentative and offensive.
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Old 09-10-2013, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Exeter
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I can't tell you how many professional adults I have met recently with really bad teeth. I don't mean to sound petty or judgemental, I'm just wondering what would prevent an educated employed person from taking care of their teeth.

I've met people with blackness around their gumline where they have crowns. People missing front teeth, people with discolored teeth. I had a blind date recently with a very nice gentleman who is clearly self conscious about his teeth. He was avoiding smiling or would duck his head to the side when he smiled. He KNOWS.

So why not just have them fixed?

And yes, it makes me wonder if maybe I should get my eyes fixed because don't people meet me and wonder "surely she knows those droopy eyes make her look bad."
You don't want to sound judgmental but you are.
Not only do you judge people with bad teeth but you also allude some class bias into the mix as you'd assume that all "professionals" have to look good to you.

Dental work is expensive and dental insurance does not covering the bulk of the work but only a slight portion of it. Not everyone has money, not even some professionals.

So unless you want to pay for dental for everyone you meet with bad dental hygiene, just smile and bear it while developing an open mind.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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As a single woman, I consider the condition of the mouth I'm going to kiss. If that is shallow, I can own that. Some women don't like bald heads, or short men. I really don't care about stuff like that (things out of our control). My parents have brown coffee stained teeth and my whole life I've been trying to avoid Mom's nasty coffee breath. So I'm sure part of my aversion is due to that.

As a person who is underemployed...people spend all kinds of money they don't have on things like cars or iGadgets or data plans or vacations. But there is no disputing the relationship between good teeth and success. And a lot of what I'm talking about is not just cosmetic. I had a very dark tooth...went to see about getting it bleached...Dentist found a dead root and my insurance paid for the root canal. I paid a small additional fee for interior whitening. Minimal out of pocket expense, worth every penny. Lots of work that is covered will improve the appearance of your teeth. My teeth are far from perfect, I will never be a toothpaste model, but at least they are now all roughly the same color.

As a person with teeth, I know very well that dental health, such as the condition of crowns or caps or fillings or gums, is very closely linked to overall physical health. If you leave spaces between your teeth , that can cause malformation of the mouth and jaw that will cause serious problems later. It is NOT just a cosmetic thing.

I feel bad, because the guy I went out with last night was nice. But to me it was about more than the teeth. His self esteem has been impacted by his teeth, yet he doesn't make getting them fixed a priority. So what does that say about his datability?

Judgemental much, STAGE MOM?

He doesn't make getting his teeth fixed a "priority". Well, maybe he has other priorities like rent/mtg, electric, insurance, and a host of other bills. Maybe he's caring for elderly parents. You don't know his story so why judge?????

According to you, he was embarassed by his teeth --- he KNOWS they don't look nice. I'm sure if he could afford it, he would have them done.

Do you know the 10s of $1000s of dollars it costs to get cosmetic dentistry done??? Even just getting the top front four would cost $6K. Who has that kind of money in disposable income??? Even when the dentist offers a "payment plan", it always comes out to 100s per month. People cannot afford that.

You, on the other hand, must be wealthy with perfect teeth, perfect hair, and a perfect body. Maybe you should look into getting some cosmetic personality and see what the cost is of that.
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Old 09-11-2013, 12:47 AM
 
Location: somewhere flat
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I can't tell you how many professional adults I have met recently with really bad teeth. I don't mean to sound petty or judgemental, I'm just wondering what would prevent an educated employed person from taking care of their teeth.

I've met people with blackness around their gumline where they have crowns. People missing front teeth, people with discolored teeth. I had a blind date recently with a very nice gentleman who is clearly self conscious about his teeth. He was avoiding smiling or would duck his head to the side when he smiled. He KNOWS.

So why not just have them fixed?

And yes, it makes me wonder if maybe I should get my eyes fixed because don't people meet me and wonder "surely she knows those droopy eyes make her look bad."

Are you aware that cosmetic dentistry is very expensive and that many people can not afford these procedures?

If people are lucky enough to have dental insurance, it still will not cover cosmetic procedures. Only if there is a health risk. You were lucky that your tooth was dead. And still, not all insurance plans would cover that,

One tooth implant costs from one to several thousand dollars. Having crowns put in, which is the only permanent solution to deeply discolored teeth is extremely expensive.

Laminate veneers are a little less money than capping, but still it costs about $5000 and it does not work on all stains.

Historically only the rich and famous have had their teeth capped. Sorry if everyone doesn't look like a movie star, stagemoma and unless you are perfect, I would not cast the first stone.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:44 AM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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There is a huge difference between someone having untreated tooth decay and/or damage that's the result of poor dental hygiene, and teeth that just haven't been fixed up to look like an immaculate row of chiclets. The latter is primarily cosmetic, the former is a health issue. The OP seems to be lumping the two together. Personally I find some imperfection to be kinda appealing - shows the person isn't too vain.
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Old 09-11-2013, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Maybe the better question is, why are Americans in particular so obsessed with artificially perfect teeth?
^^^^ I don't find fake very appealing. I'd rather have someone real with character, than a phony.
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