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Old 04-21-2014, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Waterville
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More of a rant...

Usual topics are needing money, pains and medical procedures, minorities, wanting to move somewhere else....and they don't shut up. Its having your elderly relatives come over for happy hour daily.
Oildog, your post amused me. I know that the actual situation is not so funny, but the telling of it certainly is. And why? Because I recognize those people. The situation sounds like it has the makings of a sit-com pilot. One that will go maybe three episodes before getting the hook.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:19 PM
 
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Yes, the questions myself and other patrons ponder are along those lines.

Am I going to be this bitter and hateful (more so) when I retire?
How is my retirement planning going, so that I have a better choice of where I live?
Need to exercise more so that I have better control (if any) of potential health issues as I age.

However as someone that has moved often as an adult, I know the challenges of trying to meet new people in an unfamiliar area. Resulting from this I think about topics of conversation I try to engage others with. Trying to make sure conversation flows two ways, rather than one party storytelling. I understand the desire to go out and interact with different (younger) people. But they don't want to interact with other seniors 'because they complain' and 'have too many problems'. But that's what they try to discuss with younger folks. Maybe its the mirror they fear.

Many of these seniors have lived in the city for a good part of their lives, some have part time jobs. They should have some contacts. Its not like they are shut ins in a dilapidated ghetto. Facility is in a desired part of the city with easy public transport access if they don't have their own. Again, these seniors are reasonably able bodied and have their wits. Its not a nursing home.

Maybe its the sense of entitlement many of them have, but don't feel they are getting. I saw that with one parent and some relatives. The ones who spent money as it came in, and had little saved as they aged. They are bitter and think someone owes them a nice house with servants.

Is this really any different from some guy at a bar, who goes up to a stranger and complains about their job for 15 minutes? At any age this is annoying. You may be tolerant over time of their rant if its not regular behavior of this person. But regularly? Few folks like complainers.

Maybe its just another tale of have and have-nots. Ant and grasshopper. Finding something to be involved with. A couple of the guys stop in after their golf, or involvement with a civic organization. Surprise. Generally pleasant folks, decent conversation, nice to be around.

Just because you are mad at yourself, doesn't give you the right to make other folks miserable.

Yes. There is no cheating death (age) and taxes. I just hope the choices I make and work toward, don't have me bitter.

Seems like they've already made you an ageist douche so don't hold your breath.

An ageist douche who's biggest goal of the day is to typecast and denigrate his elders (customers!!!).

Yeah you're right on schedule to become a fabulous senior citizen, aren't you? A really nice one who doesn't p8ss off the baby behind the bar.

Half of them do it just to wind you up, you get that right? You're a joke on the golf course and probably going to be sacked for your lousy attitude in 3,2,1....

Yep those old farts will be there long after you're just a bad (unemployed) memory.

Laughing.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:24 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the Kona coffee fields
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It's just the first wave of the baby boomers.

They will be more old people swarming your neighborhood, malls, parks, and bars. Many more! It'll be a tsunami of gray panthers. Some of them will be rowdy, some demanding sex, your money, the car keys. Geriatric gangs under the cover of Alzheimers and dementia unaccountable to the laws. Being glued to her text messages & iPhones will be no escape for teenagers. Getting an aluminum cane into your cojones is more efficient than an AARP discount when the pension wears thin. Viagra turned senior citizen homes into red light districts. The protection fee of your favorite bar is fixing the free bar for a regular Octogenarian Monday. And longingly you'll remember the sad, bitter, lonely monologues of the elderlies you had to endure in the 2010s.

They are coming and the single child/unwed mother crowd is too young & too poor to rescue you.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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No, it's not different. So why single the elderly out?

How is a drunk, belligerent senior different from a drunk, belligerent 20-something?

I just don't see why you are making this about old people. I also don't see why the pubs are considering not serving "them."

It really just sounds like discrimination and agism.
Because the senior isn't drunk yet. That's the attitude they come in with. Only gets worse after they have a few drinks.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Looks like the latest group of posters didn't read too carefully. Maybe I should have sent it by text. LOL

Gee. I guess I'm a horrible person. I'll make sure to add seniors to the list of other protected classes that one has to treat with kid gloves. Lest Grandpa X will rally the local Gray Panthers to have a sit-in at the local pubs and restaurants in the area. That should force patrons who want a simple meal or drink without 20 minutes of skin infection talk, to go somewhere else.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:29 PM
 
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Live long enough in this world around this c***sucking human race and it's bound to drive you crazy. If you get to that age and aren't at least a little bitter, you weren't paying attention over the decades of your life....
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Live long enough in this world around this c***sucking human race and it's bound to drive you crazy. If you get to that age and aren't at least a little bitter, you weren't paying attention over the decades of your life....
That depends on what experiences predominate in your life; different people have different kinds of experiences. Just because you are bitter doesn't mean that is or should be the norm for perceptive people, for those who have been "paying attention". You can "pay attention" selectively and remember all the mean, dishonest people and events or you can take some comfort in the kind and compassionate people so that things even out.

When you hold onto bitterness you are poisoning yourself - the people who harmed you are not harmed by your bitterness.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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To the OP (Oildog): I am not familiar with your posts, so I don't really "know" you, but I assume you are intelligent enough to have known that you were going to get hammered pretty hard, even if for no other reason than your provocative thread title. People are going to see "old people" and think of their own beloved parents, who may or may belong to the subset of old people you were describing, but in any case it's going to rile them. And I say that even though I come down basically on your side here.

There are certain topics which are hot button topics, and I'm not even talking about the various political and religious topics that get people going at the drop of a hat. Generational resentment is one of those topics, in my opinion. So are male/female relationships, and not just in the narrow sense of dating problems and marital problems. I have been savaged by the tribe of angry women just for seeking to understand why women need their own separate sticky thread in the Retirement Forum.

So I assume you have a thick skin or you wouldn't have created the present OP.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:23 PM
 
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More of a rant...

We have some senior facilities in our neighborhood. There are a couple area pubs that that are within a mile of their facility that some of them (seniors) have started to frequent. At first people didn't mind as they would just come in for a beer. But as time went on (about a year) staff and other patrons cringe when they show up. They all complain about their living situation and how they don't like others they live with...because the others are old and complain all the time...or they are too loud. Not surprisingly, they try to engage in 'conversation' (meaning they talk at) with anyone who comes near them....Except the other seniors. Usual topics are needing money, pains and medical procedures, minorities, wanting to move somewhere else....and they don't shut up. Its having your elderly relatives come over for happy hour daily.

They are demanding, often asking to get the TV changed if they don't like the program, wanting background music changed or turned down. Complaints about the strengths or volume of drinks etc. It gotten to the point that a couple of them have told they are not welcome anymore. Another has been belligerent and would proposition patrons before passing out in a chair (now banned). (meds may have kicked in).

Initially patrons felt sorry for them as they figured they were lonely and bored. But we have found them to be rude, bitter and unpleasant to be around. Now most patrons try to avoid them and Staff stops serving them once they become rude and often calls a cab for their mile ride home (which may be the MO of a few of them). The business is debating the awkward choice of not accepting these patrons.

Maybe if senior facilities had a bar, these people could go there to complain, and leave the rest of us peacefully alone.
I'm not a senior, but I find your post to be really distasteful. You don't get to pick the clientele of a business open to all. Who actually hangs out in bars past the age of 25 anyway?

If they are loud, they probably have hearing loss. If they are bored, why not stop in at the facilities they reside at and ask for, or, even better, offer suggestions on how to alleviate the boredom.
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Old 04-21-2014, 07:28 PM
 
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More of a rant...

and leave the rest of us peacefully alone.
As rants go I'd give it a 4 on a scale of 1 to 10. One being a passing thought and 10 being postal.

If you want to be peacefully alone buy a bottle of scotch and stay home. Other than that... Cheer up! Their opinion of you probably isn't any better.
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