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Old 01-28-2008, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Simon Cowell (a famously negative and sour judge on AI from England) said a most telling thing on American Idol. He expressed total shock that anyone could be genuinely happy for someone else's good fortune...he truely did not understand the concept.
I wonder if this is a cultural thing, or just a Cowell thing? There is also the other English guy named Pierce on The Apprentice who is the same way. As Americans, do you agree that most of us DO feel genuine happiness for other's good fortune? I do. Any English people out there who can weigh in?
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:43 AM
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Wow. You'd judge ALL Brits based on these two men on your tv set? Simon Cowell is a talent scout and paid to be hyper critical. And the premise of The Apprentice is highly competitive cutthroat business strategies. Pierce is there to win the game. That Omorosa is equally as cold as Pierce and she's black, American and a female.
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:47 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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No we are not all like them, and not all Americans are like you seem to think
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Old 01-28-2008, 10:48 AM
 
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Oh please! Give me a break.
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:22 AM
 
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Simon Cowell (a famously negative and sour judge on AI from England) said a most telling thing on American Idol. He expressed total shock that anyone could be genuinely happy for someone else's good fortune...he truely did not understand the concept.
I wonder if this is a cultural thing, or just a Cowell thing? There is also the other English guy named Pierce on The Apprentice who is the same way. As Americans, do you agree that most of us DO feel genuine happiness for other's good fortune? I do. Any English people out there who can weigh in?
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Yikes. A little touchy, aren't we? I am not judging them, I am asking a question.
It is my experience, after 60 years on the planet, that Americans in general tend to be happy for others when good things happen. We kind of share in their joy.
If you live in England, or anywhere in Europe, is it YOUR opinion that these two guys I mentioned are just an abberation? The stereotype is that many English people farm their little kids off to drafty old boarding schools where they get no family warmth and so it could result in a kind of warped view of life.
For the record, I'm 1/2 English and that side was a bit cranky.
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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Well I'm American and I am genuinely happy for people I know or like that are having good fortune. I'm neutral to everyone else. I mean, why would I be happy for some random guy that wins 20 million dollars? The guy could be a pedophile for all I know. I need to know more than a feel good background story to be genuinely happy for someone.

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Old 01-28-2008, 12:47 PM
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Yikes. A little touchy, aren't we? I am not judging them, I am asking a question.
It is my experience, after 60 years on the planet, that Americans in general tend to be happy for others when good things happen. We kind of share in their joy.
If you live in England, or anywhere in Europe, is it YOUR opinion that these two guys I mentioned are just an abberation? The stereotype is that many English people farm their little kids off to drafty old boarding schools where they get no family warmth and so it could result in a kind of warped view of life.
For the record, I'm 1/2 English and that side was a bit cranky.
My dad is American and got sent off to boarding school. It's not only a British thing. In addition, of the Brits that get sent off to boarding school, it's mostly the kids from well to do families, not the working class. And maybe that sounds cold and unfeeling on the part of the parents, on the other hand, kids at boarding schools make good friends and still have a lot of fun and good times when they are not in class.

The Brits do seem more formal on the outside because of the way they speak the Kings English so formally and they have impeccable manners unlike Americans, but of the Brits that I've met, they are warm, funny and very friendly people once you get to know them as friends.

Again, Simon is more than encouraged to be critical and cranky at those auditioning. He's looking for real talent on that show. And Pierce is supposed to be a cutthroat businessman, so of course he's not going to show his warm and fuzzy side on The Apprentice.
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Old 01-28-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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What a baffling question. I am American, but I have lived in England, too. You will find extremes in both nationalities, any nationality, really. You can't possibly assume an entire nation's people lack empathy from your perceived behavior of two individuals. And as miu stated, Simon is paid to judge people's talents. And I don't think he's "famously negative and sour" as you claim, just brutally honest. Frankly I feel that most of those aspiring "singers" on AI deserve his honesty.
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Old 01-28-2008, 03:18 PM
 
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My dad is American and got sent off to boarding school. It's not only a British thing. In addition, of the Brits that get sent off to boarding school, it's mostly the kids from well to do families, not the working class. And maybe that sounds cold and unfeeling on the part of the parents, on the other hand, kids at boarding schools make good friends and still have a lot of fun and good times when they are not in class.

The Brits do seem more formal on the outside because of the way they speak the Kings English so formally and they have impeccable manners unlike Americans, but of the Brits that I've met, they are warm, funny and very friendly people once you get to know them as friends.

Again, Simon is more than encouraged to be critical and cranky at those auditioning. He's looking for real talent on that show. And Pierce is supposed to be a cutthroat businessman, so of course he's not going to show his warm and fuzzy side on The Apprentice.
Thankyou for that you are so right
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