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Old 06-07-2017, 06:32 AM
 
Location: England
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English Dave, I suspect it went from 15% to 20% because 20% is easier to calculate for some people.
You're probably right....... although, 10% is even easier. At least it was when I went to school anyways.... Some servers will be licking their wounds after reading some of the comments here. "I try my best" they'll sob.

They will start posting things like, "well, as we all know, 25% is the accepted tip these days" when a new tipping thread starts. Readers will think, "oh gawd, I mustn't be seen as a tightwad, and I will make sure I always leave 25% from now on"...........
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:35 AM
 
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You're probably right....... although, 10% is even easier. At least it was when I went to school anyways.... Some servers will be licking their wounds after reading some of the comments here. "I try my best" they'll sob.

They will start posting things like, "well, as we all know, 25% is the accepted tip these days" when a new tipping thread starts. Readers will think, "oh gawd, I mustn't be seen as a tightwad, and I will make sure I always leave 25% from now on"...........
I think 15%-20% is still standard and perfectly fine. When I waited tables in college, I was perfectly happy with receiving 15-20%, it was great if I got more and I understood if I got less but it sucked when I got nothing at all especially if it was a super nice table that seemed like they would tip and then they don't. I think 10% is reserved for less than great service.
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Old 06-07-2017, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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The "just for doing their job" thing confuses me. Of course they should expect to be paid for doing their job. That's why people work. To get paid. It's just that in this industry, the customer pays directly instead of the employer. As people have pointed out, if tipping stopped, prices would rise.

Not everyone is getting $25 a table except in a high-end place. I went to a BYO with a friend last week. Prices tend to be a bit higher at BYOs because they aren't making money on liquor, which is usually the biggest markup. We both got one of the pricier entrees. The bill with tax was $52. We left $10. We were there for an hour.

If we'd gone to the diner, the bill might have only been $25 - $30 - $40 depending on what we got.

I go to an Italian place with a group of women once a month. Also a BYO. We get a discount from the owner because we are a large group and one of us always finagles discounts, so it comes to about $20 each, tip included. Go where you can afford to go. If you can't afford to dine and tip your server, you don't go. There are some very pricy restaurants near where I live and work. Guess what. I don't go to those places because they aren't in my budget.
In many states and areas, prices the last few years have increased dramatically because the minimum wage has also dramatically increased. In my state, there's 3 rates of pay for servers. Each rate is for a different part of the state. No one here is making $2.13 an hour plus tips. The minimum wage for servers skyrocketed here and will continue to increase.

Restaurants will be pricing themselves out of business. Many are already struggling because of the wage increases. There's only so much people will pay for spaghetti and meatballs and restaurants here are feeling that. They've gotten rid of the salad and bread. So for $14.99 you get one frozen Sysco meatball and some spaghetti and sauce. The whole meal cost them less than $3 a serving. For 15 bucks, I can make a huge crockpot of sauce and loaded with meatballs and sausage so why eat out? That crockpot os sauce will last us 4 dinners plus several lunches! I'm already seeing many restaurants not full like they were just a few years ago. On a Friday night, when there's no wait and the place is half empty, that tells you something.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Well...if someone refuses to tip at all but wants to go out to eat, those are their best options, no?

Tip properly? 20%. If someone "sucks", then don't tip 20%, pay less or if it's really bad, nothing at all. That's not hard to comprehend, is it?
Maybe where you are it's 20%, but it's not 20% everywhere. And exactly who decides what's proper for the tipping percentage? If servers don't like the amount they are tipped, they have 2 choices: 1. become a better server or 2. find a new job. It's that simple. I've worked as a server and in the restaurant industry for years. This whole tipping nonsense has gotten ridiculously out of hand. Tips are not required by law so if someone doesn't want to leave a tip, oh well. Don't like it? Don't be a server. That's not hard to comprehend either, is it?
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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I do unless they have air freshener stinking up the car.
That's to cover up the fact they haven't taken a shower in a week.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:31 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I agree with others, I would not want to associate with someone who was so rude and insulting. My husband and I always try to tip at least 20% for good service. You'd have to be pretty bad to get any less from us. The only time we did not tip was when we were ignored the entire time, and my husband had to walk up to the hostess any time we needed anything.


I do notice that people who tend to ask for a lot...always sending the wait staff back and forth for little things when they could have asked for it all at once...the pain in the butts, if you will, seem to be the ones who are less gracious with their tipping. It always baffles me. I do have one friend who comes to mind...she's not usually a pain but she refuses to tip a cent over what the bare minimum is...and if we do separate checks she will actually call me & my husband out for 'over tipping' even though it's none of her business. She's always kind to the wait staff though.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:43 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Per the bolded, do you live in the US? If so, the standard tip is 20%. Recently, I read that in NYC it is now 25%.

Is 25% the new standard for tipping? Depends where you eat - TODAY.com

^^^^From the article:

Nowadays, 15 percent isn’t an average tip – it’s a way of registering displeasure with the service.

Doesn't surprise me. Quite a few years ago my husband and I were drinking at a bar in NYC. We were tipping all night, sitting right at the bar. As the night went on, it got crazier and more crowded. All of a sudden this girl who was not our bartender (she was tending at the other end of the bar) yelled at us and said she was kicking us out for not tipping. OUR bartender stood there looking embarrassed. The bouncer escorted us out. My husband turned to him and said "I assure you we've been tipping all night," and the bouncer said "Yeah, I know."


I guess we weren't tipping enough for their standards...the bartenders were dressed very skimpy and I think a lot of guys were just throwing down $10s & $20s with every drink. I'll never go back to that bar again.
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Old 06-07-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I guess we weren't tipping enough for their standards...the bartenders were dressed very skimpy and I think a lot of guys were just throwing down $10s & $20s with every drink. I'll never go back to that bar again.

I remember being at a bar in my 20's and buying a $6 beer. I put down a $20 and the bartender never gave me change. I asked where my change was and they got offended. Last drink I ordered and never went back to that bar.


I really don't care how short your skirt is...I'm not giving you a $14 tip each time I order a $6 beer.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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We had out of town friends visit, so we went to dinner at Alize. It's an excellent fine dining restaurant with a menu that changes a fair bit based on season and based on what's fresh. Alize A La Carte Menu

I had the grilled octopus appetizer ($19), Lamb entrée ($64) and Grand Marnier Soufflé ($15).

My wife had the foie gras appetizer ($32), Duck entrée ($52) with no dessert -- but she had about half of mine "just to taste."

There were 4 in our party, and we shared 2 bottles of wine for about $150. We declined after dinner drinks.

Our share including tax but without tip was about $260. Tip was $50.
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Old 06-07-2017, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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Your friend was valid in concept. Less remarkable in how it was relayed to the cordial staff.
Social shaming a fellow human being because they chose to live by a certain principle. Wow!
I feel zero shame. I assure you what I pay on the bill is what is it.
So now it's the tippers are somehow a grade above others? Get real. Tipping is voluntary .
I hope you know that servers have to pay taxes on a certain percentage of their tickets, as an assumed income. So the server has to pay taxes on money you didn't give him/her. Tipping may be voluntary, but it's pretty chicken-sh** to stiff the staff when you know they are paid slave wages without their tips, and that they pay the government out of their pocket when you stiff them.
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