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Old 06-07-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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English Dave, I suspect it went from 15% to 20% because 20% is easier to calculate for some people.
Here is a real issue (NOT just tipping). There are kids coming out of highschool that can't even figure out 10%. And, I am not talking about just the drop outs.

We have someone in our family. A brilliant 17 year old who tests off the charts. She cannot even do simple arithmetic because of the dumbing down of schools due to "no child left behind.

But, I guess that's another topic
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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In many states and areas, prices the last few years have increased dramatically because the minimum wage has also dramatically increased. In my state, there's 3 rates of pay for servers. Each rate is for a different part of the state. No one here is making $2.13 an hour plus tips. The minimum wage for servers skyrocketed here and will continue to increase.

Restaurants will be pricing themselves out of business. Many are already struggling because of the wage increases. There's only so much people will pay for spaghetti and meatballs and restaurants here are feeling that. They've gotten rid of the salad and bread. So for $14.99 you get one frozen Sysco meatball and some spaghetti and sauce. The whole meal cost them less than $3 a serving. For 15 bucks, I can make a huge crockpot of sauce and loaded with meatballs and sausage so why eat out? That crockpot os sauce will last us 4 dinners plus several lunches! I'm already seeing many restaurants not full like they were just a few years ago. On a Friday night, when there's no wait and the place is half empty, that tells you something.
Who goes out to a restaurant for spaghetti and meatballs anyway?

It seems the pricy places still do a booming business. I was messaging a friend who said she'd like to meet me for lunch one day at her favorite kosher steakhouse, which is near where I just started working. I am mostly vegetarian, but will occasionally eat fish.

I just walked past that restaurant and looked at the displayed lunch menu. They have salmon and halibut at $38, or a plate of seasonal vegetables for $30. It's apparently the place to be seen if you're Jewish and in NYC (I am not Jewish but my friend is.) But for $30, they'd better be some darn good vegetables!
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:31 AM
 
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You're probably right....... although, 10% is even easier. At least it was when I went to school anyways.... Some servers will be licking their wounds after reading some of the comments here. "I try my best" they'll sob.

They will start posting things like, "well, as we all know, 25% is the accepted tip these days" when a new tipping thread starts. Readers will think, "oh gawd, I mustn't be seen as a tightwad, and I will make sure I always leave 25% from now on"...........
Dave---You obviously didn't read through this thread. If you did, you would notice that early on I posted a link saying that in NYC it's creeping up to 25%.

Please don't make fun of servers. Most of them work very hard and earn their pay. While I have worked in food service in the past (but not a server), my daughter was a server. For those who say that servers don't make an effort to get better jobs, my daughter worked her way up to manager at the restaurant chain where she works. Her next step if she wants it --- general manager.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Dave---You obviously didn't read through this thread. If you did, you would notice that early on I posted a link saying that in NYC it's creeping up to 25%.

Please don't make fun of servers. Most of them work very hard and earn their pay. While I have worked in food service in the past (but not a server), my daughter was a server. For those who say that servers don't make an effort to get better jobs, my daughter worked her way up to manager at the restaurant chain where she works. Her next step if she wants it --- general manager.
My daughter worked as a server and as a hostess a) while waiting to leave to start a teaching job in China, and b) upon her return while waiting to start her Ph.D program. There is no shame in restaurant work!

Unless, of course, you are me, who wouldn't be able to remember who ordered what and is so clumsy I would drop things all the time.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:40 AM
 
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Maybe where you are it's 20%, but it's not 20% everywhere. And exactly who decides what's proper for the tipping percentage? If servers don't like the amount they are tipped, they have 2 choices: 1. become a better server or 2. find a new job. It's that simple. I've worked as a server and in the restaurant industry for years. This whole tipping nonsense has gotten ridiculously out of hand. Tips are not required by law so if someone doesn't want to leave a tip, oh well. Don't like it? Don't be a server. That's not hard to comprehend either, is it?
Oh, gee...you make it sound so easy. In places with a depressed economy, there aren't many jobs so anyone needing to work will gladly take a server job. Better than going on welfare, no? Since many server jobs are part-time, lots of servers are students trying to work their way through school. In some locations, it's the server jobs that work best for a student's schedule. If they don't like it, maybe they can get a white collar job/sarcasm.

Where has it not become 20% in this country? That said, even if I travel to those areas and get great service, I will still tip 20%.

You assume that by "becoming a better server", cheapskates will suddenly give proper tips. Cheapskates don't change their stripes. That's not hard to comprehend, is it?

Are you still serving? If so, do you really not care if you get stiffed?
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:43 AM
 
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My daughter worked as a server and as a hostess a) while waiting to leave to start a teaching job in China, and b) upon her return while waiting to start her Ph.D program. There is no shame in restaurant work!

Unless, of course, you are me, who wouldn't be able to remember who ordered what and is so clumsy I would drop things all the time.
LOL! At my age, I wouldn't want to do the job for those very same reasons^^^^.

When my daughter served, she ended up getting repeat customers. In one restaurant, before she and her family moved, some of her customers gave her good-bye gifts and she still stays in touch with a few via FB.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:46 AM
 
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Doesn't surprise me. Quite a few years ago my husband and I were drinking at a bar in NYC. We were tipping all night, sitting right at the bar. As the night went on, it got crazier and more crowded. All of a sudden this girl who was not our bartender (she was tending at the other end of the bar) yelled at us and said she was kicking us out for not tipping. OUR bartender stood there looking embarrassed. The bouncer escorted us out. My husband turned to him and said "I assure you we've been tipping all night," and the bouncer said "Yeah, I know."


I guess we weren't tipping enough for their standards...the bartenders were dressed very skimpy and I think a lot of guys were just throwing down $10s & $20s with every drink. I'll never go back to that bar again.
Neither would I go back to a place like that. To treat you like that when you were tipping is unacceptable.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: England
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Dave---You obviously didn't read through this thread. If you did, you would notice that early on I posted a link saying that in NYC it's creeping up to 25%.

Please don't make fun of servers. Most of them work very hard and earn their pay. While I have worked in food service in the past (but not a server), my daughter was a server. For those who say that servers don't make an effort to get better jobs, my daughter worked her way up to manager at the restaurant chain where she works. Her next step if she wants it --- general manager.
Hiya BOS2IAD....... I make fun of the whole situation, not just the servers themselves. You have to be an outsider to see how ridiculous it looks. Americans are brought up to it, and can't really stand back and see how absurd it is. I say this accepting that it is what it is, and nothing is going to change the tipping system in America.

Honest, I'm just having fun with it. Remember, I don't start these tipping threads. There have been plenty of them before this one. I have met plenty of servers, and they are real nice folks. My wife and I have gotten fond of a few in Las Vegas, and always bring them a gift from England when we visit.

I remember my first visit to NYC back in 1988. I had read that servers in eateries expected tips. So, I dutifully did so. I didn't know workers in bars expect tips. I ordered a beer, and paid for it. I went to order a second, and the barman ignored me.......... just refused to acknowledge my request for another beer. I was so embarrassed, and left the bar............ In England, if you left money on the bar as a tip, the bar staff would shout after you, "Oi......... you've forgotten your change!!".........

Servers in England get paid by the owner, not the customer. Well, you say, the cost of the workers is built into the cost of the meal. Well, that's the same with everything isn't it? The cost we pay for anything has the cost of paying the workers wages. In America, the cost of the worker is paid by the customer directly. Sometimes, they get stiffed because tipping is voluntary. Is that fair? I don't believe so. That's why the business owner should pay the staff wages, not depending on the fair nature of the customer.

It'll never happen of course. Servers make more from the tipping system than they would working for wages, and customers like to think they get better service by tipping. All I can say, is that in England, the food isn't thrown in front of me, and I don't get ignored by the server. No tip expected. To tell you the truth, I can do without the so called 'service' in America. I am not keen on having my eating interrupted with by constant, "everything all right here?".......... Honestly, no offence meant........ just how I have observed things when visiting America.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Who goes out to a restaurant for spaghetti and meatballs anyway?

It seems the pricy places still do a booming business. I was messaging a friend who said she'd like to meet me for lunch one day at her favorite kosher steakhouse, which is near where I just started working. I am mostly vegetarian, but will occasionally eat fish.

I just walked past that restaurant and looked at the displayed lunch menu. They have salmon and halibut at $38, or a plate of seasonal vegetables for $30. It's apparently the place to be seen if you're Jewish and in NYC (I am not Jewish but my friend is.) But for $30, they'd better be some darn good vegetables!
A lot of people around here go out for spaghetti and meatballs. I live in an area full of small towns. Big city is over an hour away. And it's not a huge city. Nothing like NYC. We're a good 6 hour drive from NYC.

For $30, they better give you a couple of cases of vegetables! Those are crazy prices for lunch. Definitely wouldn't fly in a good part of the country. NYC has it's own way of doing everything. Such an expensive place, but that's what happens when you're a small island, have to build up, and have 10 million people crammed in.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in America
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Oh, gee...you make it sound so easy. In places with a depressed economy, there aren't many jobs so anyone needing to work will gladly take a server job. Better than going on welfare, no? Since many server jobs are part-time, lots of servers are students trying to work their way through school. In some locations, it's the server jobs that work best for a student's schedule. If they don't like it, maybe they can get a white collar job/sarcasm.

Where has it not become 20% in this country? That said, even if I travel to those areas and get great service, I will still tip 20%.

You assume that by "becoming a better server", cheapskates will suddenly give proper tips. Cheapskates don't change their stripes. That's not hard to comprehend, is it?

Are you still serving? If so, do you really not care if you get stiffed?
Then actually BE GLAD you have a job and get tips. No one owes you anything in life. It's up to you to take care of yourself. I don't take pity on someone because they're a student and paying their way. That's called being an adult. I don't take pity on the garbage truck driver, the tractor trailer driver, the power company meter reader guy, the UPS guy, etc. These thing are called jobs. Who said it was supposed to be easy? You want money? Earn it!

In many parts of the country 20% is not standard. It's still 15% where I live and in many places I've lived and visited. You can tip all you want.

Yes, I have been stiffed as a server. It happens. There's nothing I can do so I let it go and try to figure out what I can do better next time. It's pretty rare to be stiffed. Low tips aren't uncommon. Some people just don't tip much.

At some restaurants, you rarely see the server. You enter your own order on the tablet on the table. Someone brings your drinks. Someone else brings the meal. You pay on the tablet on the table. Why does that deserve 20%?
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