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Old 06-08-2017, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I honestly do not actively seek what others pay, so most of the time, I wouldn't know. I have peeked at some checks here and there.... $3 to $4 for $23-something. Plus, folks say that managers are required by law to compensate them to MW, so even though they got hit with a douche move, they'll be fine.
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TBH, I stopped going to eateries where you're "expected" to tip. Adding another 20% to bill has gotten annoying at times. I only go to "tip restaurants" a few times year when I'm with company, or there's something I really want to try out that I can't in a non-tipping restaurant (like a steak house). As a bonus, this has encouraged me cook at home more often.
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Some here on C-D have countered "I'm glad I make enough money to spread my wealth around!". Good for you. I still spread my wealth around, but it's at non-tipping restaurants, so I'm still supporting the various establishments. And the money saved goes towards other things (such as a replacement car that I'll likely need within the next year or 3. Fingers crossed).
I think I was one of those, and it's precisely because I know what it's like to be working and still broke. There were many years when I couldn't go to a restaurant because I couldn't afford to eat out and leave a decent tip. Now it's a little bit better.

That extra $5 isn't going to be missed by me, but it might mean gas money to the server, and so I give it gladly to someone who brought me my food and took away the dirty dishes.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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Considering the hourly wage waiters make in the US, you surely should tip them..
The hourly wages of waiters/servers varies. Many make minimum and above. I know of a few restaurants that have signs at tables: "We pay our staff well. Gratuities are neither expected nor accepted". As far as those who are underpaid, surely owners should give them a raise.

As I've said, tipping is VOLUNTARY, and the % is a matter of choice. If people want to supplement the paychecks of workers they feel are underpaid in various industries, that's also voluntary. Go ahead, no one is stopping you. Instead of expressing displeasure on an internet forum, get off your duffs and toss money at janitors, cashiers, day care workers, mail room clerks, fast food workers, etc. etc. Spread the wealth.
I am puzzled by the hypocrisy on these forums When fast food workers and walmart workers demand and even go on strike for $15 an hour or better working conditions, the C-D community doesn't waste time in telling them they should've gone to trade school/attended college/bettered themselves. When it comes to service staff, it seems like they should get treated like royalty when under the agreement of THEIR employment, their wages were clearly spelt out that they get $2.13 an hour, and that the rest of their money made is on voluntary tips. That's right, you're at the mercy of patrons, and legally, you can't do anything about it. Just like the FF and Walmart workers, why doesn't the C-D community not also tell these waiters and waitresses "if you wanted to be paid better or at a steady wage, go to college!".




Also on a related note, folks counter that if FF get $15 an hour, they're going to be out of job b/c that wage is too high. Heh... what do you think happened when the tipping custom went from 15% to 20%? It's anecdotal data, but myself, and a few others I've know for months to years went out to eat at tipping restaurants less and less because of that. The value wasn't as there anymore.




Last but not least, tipping is FAAR too subjective. Even if we filter out the cheapsakes who were never going to tip, or only tip 5% (feel free to look up their contrived rationalizations ), you have patrons who sometimes should NOT be in the place to make that judgment.
"The food tastes bad!" -- That's EXACTLY what it's supposed to taste like. Why didn't you ask ahead of time?
"This lasagna has cheese!" -- Ditto here. If you have food preferences/restrictions, then bring it up!
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"It took you 10 minutes to bring me a cup of coffee!?" -- Look around, we're freaking busy, and it's just me and another server
"You only came by to ask us how we're doing once" -- No joke, I knew someone who knew such a person who made this a major criteria in tipping
"You already asked us how we're doing twice! Stop pestering us!" -- Not a mind reader
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:01 AM
 
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That extra $5 isn't going to be missed by me, but it might mean gas money to the server, and so I give it gladly to someone who brought me my food and took away the dirty dishes.
I agree. I'm fortunate to be at a place where I can spread "a little wealth around", and I don't mind being generous with those who are doing jobs to make my life easier and jobs that I wouldn't want to do.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Precisely the point I made earlier. Let restaurant owners pay their employees an agreeable wage and price their offerings accordingly, just like any other business does. In a shoe store/electronics store/sporting goods store, etc., a salesman might spend 30 minutes helping me, to the exclusion of any other customer, and I wouldn't even think about offering him a tip. Nor would he ever expect me to do so. It's understood that his wages are built into the price of the products. Why should restaurants be any different? The same rules should be applied to them. Let's be done with this entire "tipping" nonsense.
Do you think this waiter would prefer to just be paid $15/hour?



How about the server here -- do you think she would prefer to just be paid $15/hour?



How about here?

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Old 06-08-2017, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Since I rarely go to expensive places, I tend to overtip, because 15% of my bill would be such a tiny amount.
In casual restaurants, when the price of gasoline had gone up quite high, I always threw in a couple extra bucks because I suspected the servers were impacted because of $4.50 gas prices.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:56 AM
 
Location: U.S.A., Earth
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Do you think this waiter would prefer to just be paid $15/hour?



How about the server here -- do you think she would prefer to just be paid $15/hour?



How about here?
As per the receipts, I see Wynn and MGM. I've walked through Wynn and know it's a rather high class casino/hotel/resort. I can't recall if the same is with MGM (it's been a while). MGM may not be at the same class, and their restaurants may not be of the same "4-star caliber" (I don't know Tryst is, but again, I'm basing that off of the place itself), but assuming that it's still a high class place. Not some Denny's or Applebees. Given that assumption, if those venues are paying their waiters $15/hour, THAT's the real issue there. The wait staff are the frontlines for your restaurants. Does it really make business sense to cheap out on their pay, when the work they do can cost you even more if they're not up to the task?


And the pro-tip crowd is quick to cite those who make far above the average. However, they're still the exception than the norm. There are others who get stiffed plenty, and using a "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" approach, you'd be better off helping the majority by getting rid of the tipping system in favor of higher pay for them, and a steady income. If you still feel these edge cases in employment aren't that bad, just remember this when someone on C-D posts they're thinking about getting a degree in psych, women's studies, liberal arts, philosophy, English, underwater basket weaving, or any other degree that's been very difficult to find work in as opposed to better options like tech or STEM. Yes, there are graduates with those "less desirable" degrees who are doing good. However, I'd gander the majority are still struggling.
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Old 06-08-2017, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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No, but in some restaurants if a chronic non-tipper is identified, and the host knows about it, the restaurants that reserve the right to refuse service can do exactly that. Trust me when servers appreciate front hosts that toss out people that don't get modern dining culture. (because guess who gets a share of the tips from the waitstaff?)

In higher end restaurants, it's not just that a normal tip is expected, but the IRS loves to do sting audits and determine what % of tip generally is in these places. They then use the average as to what an employee must report in tips, regardless of actual results. Imagine two people come in, have a $200 check in a place that assesses at 20%. The waiter MUST report to the government that they earned $40 of income. If the reality is $5, there's nothing they can do, except pay out more to the government than they actually got.

How many times do you think that occurs before I as a waiter start screwing with your food and giving you the worst service ever. A good boss will back up his/her crew on these items.

I've never heard of the IRS doing a "sting operation to verify tips" although I suppose any thing is possible.

The IRS has as specific formula to allocate tips among employees. The rule is 8% of a restaurants gross receipts - take out (which are nonallocable receipts)

You can read all about it here

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small...urant-tax-tips
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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I do not like tipping and tipping culture but well, in the US it's part of the game and you just do it.

If people do not want to tip, they should eat at home.
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Old 06-08-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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I'm not fond of this either, especially when trying to have a conversation.
Yet if you wanted a refill on your iced tea you would be highly annoyed if the server was nowhere in sight.

Seriously, most servers only ask one time "how is everything?", they're not doing it every two minutes.
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Old 06-08-2017, 04:57 PM
 
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Your "friend" is either incredibly ignorant or a freeloading cheapskate. I'm betting heavily on the latter.

Freeloader because she knows her meals would cost much more if the servers were paid ten or $20 an hour. Or she's a moron. I don't see a third choice.
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