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Old 10-02-2019, 09:28 PM
 
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Because I don't bend right over and capitulate it means I'm not hearing what others are saying, or learning from it?

I don't agree with what's been posted because I haven't heard a refutation of what I've said. Most of it's been the same crap I hear in real life. Just because it's over the internet doesn't give it more merit.

It's just like people who say "You haven't seen/done enough yet". No, just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm inexperienced or that I need to "learn more'. It means that two people have come to two different conclusions based on their own life experiences.
What it means, my young friend, is you've been around but you're still green. Because tattoos and scars are different things.
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Old 10-03-2019, 03:52 AM
 
Location: PRC
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Jimmy, people who are angry at life need anger counselling. Get to know yourself better and then you will understand others better too.

As other have said, life reflects back at us what we need to learn to progress. It is like ALL the people we meet hold a mirror up to us so we can see ourselves in our true light and what we need to work (on ourselves) next.
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Old 10-03-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Just remember, OP, if you are trying to teach someone something that, "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar." "A spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down?"

Do you know what that means? It means you turn people off if you present your sour side to them. You can't accomplish your goal that way. Before you can instruct other people you need to make a credible bond with them. Then they'll listen to you. (And even then they may not choose to change.) But you stand a better chance of informing people if you don't hurt them in the process.

And a note - there's a reason those old sayings have survived. Just like you keep hearing the same thing over and over from people on the internet - the reason why is because there is truth in them.

Grandma went to the parade to see her grandson, Johnny, march with the band. Everyone was marching left, right, left except Johnny. He was marching right, left, right.

Grandma exclaimed, "Just look at that! Everyone's out of step except my Johnny!" Consider and grow wise.
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Old 10-03-2019, 01:03 PM
 
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Because I don't bend right over and capitulate it means I'm not hearing what others are saying, or learning from it?

I don't agree with what's been posted because I haven't heard a refutation of what I've said. Most of it's been the same crap I hear in real life. Just because it's over the internet doesn't give it more merit.

It's just like people who say "You haven't seen/done enough yet". No, just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm inexperienced or that I need to "learn more'. It means that two people have come to two different conclusions based on their own life experiences.
So you hear the same things IRL and on the Internet and you refuse to believe that what's being said has any merit. Your mind is not just closed shut, it's been locked and the key has gone missing. Many people are telling you the same thing and yet they're all wrong and you're right.

I'm not sure why you're so angry and so defensive but I would urge you to get some counseling because neither will serve you well in life.
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Old 10-03-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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I wouldn't say I'm combative...

There you go again, trying to start an argument...
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Old 10-03-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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Because they need to be taught a lesson, the lesson that their BS will not go unquestioned and I will not stand idly by and keep my mouth shut. I WILL put you in your place if you come at me with that BS.
Sorry. I should have asked why do you engage with people who consider you a liar?

When somebody thinks you are a liar, the content of the debate no longer matters. The original opinion no longer matters. Feelings matter. So are your feelings more important or is the other person's feelings more important?

The minute somebody thinks you are lying, they don't respect you. Why do you engage with people who don't respect you? They will not learn the lesson you intend to teach.
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Old 10-04-2019, 06:44 PM
 
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I want to try and make people see things from the other point of view. I love playing devil's advocate and making people question what they believe, as well as myself.
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Old 10-04-2019, 08:41 PM
 
Location: A Yankee in northeast TN
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I want to try and make people see things from the other point of view. I love playing devil's advocate and making people question what they believe, as well as myself.
Looks to me that you're more intent on browbeating them into agreeing with you rather than having a dispassionate discussion.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:04 PM
 
Location: The ghetto
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OP, you seem to have a poor disposition. When someone has earned that type of reputation, others are often unwilling (or at least hesitant) to engage them.
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Old 10-04-2019, 10:24 PM
 
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I want to try and make people see things from the other point of view. I love playing devil's advocate and making people question what they believe, as well as myself.
I would make this known to other people to see if they are willing to be participants in your personal growth. They may not have the skill to help you challenge yourself or the inclination or the time.

BTW, seeing things from a different point of view takes skill. They can't just be forced to see another point of view.
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