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Old 02-23-2011, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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American government union labor is heavily subsidized. The tax payers are footing the bill for their healthcare AND retirement. I don't have either subsidized at my place of employment and I'm competing just fine.

Yep.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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This is exactly the problem. Someone else is paying for your dad being set for life, and we have run out of "someone else's" money. It's a pyramid scheme that's unraveling, and anyone can see that. I'm glad your dad has a comfy life but it's not my place to pay for it.

The entitlement mentalities of some in this country are simply astounding.

I fund my own 401k and I don't expect the taxpayers of the state to set me up in my retirement.

The pendulum swung the other way a long time ago and Unions now do more harm than good in this country.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:49 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Yes, there were a number of individual strikes including Loray in the 20s, but the nationwide textile worker strike in 1934 ended the labor movement in the South. Many of the Loray strikers participated in the 34 strikes as well.
OK, I took your word for it & checked. The 1934 strike was all up & down the east coast. North Carolina History Project : Textile strike of 1934 However, the locals here (in the vicinity of Gastonia) all cite the Loray Mill strike.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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The entitlement mentalities of some in this country are simply astounding.

I fund my own 401k and I don't expect the taxpayers of the state to set me up in my retirement.

The pendulum swung the other way a long time ago and Unions now do more harm than good in this country.

Well yeah, but you can't take the net out from under people just like that. You fund your own 401K, and that's great. State employees were offered a retirement plan too, a defined benefit plan rather than a defined contribution plan like a 401K. So now that they're retired or approaching retirement, you're going to tell them "Oops, too bad. We can't pay for it now. You should have saved on your own." ???
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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America needs a reset button.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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jealously of public workers during lean times is nothing new. what private sector folks always forget is that when they were making money hand over fist during the boom years, the public sector workers were making the same thing they are now. the stability is what makes the career path attractive.
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Old 02-23-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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Well yeah, but you can't take the net out from under people just like that. You fund your own 401K, and that's great. State employees were offered a retirement plan too, a defined benefit plan rather than a defined contribution plan like a 401K. So now that they're retired or approaching retirement, you're going to tell them "Oops, too bad. We can't pay for it now. You should have saved on your own." ???
Haha, too true. Never mind that state and local employees 401ks in NC lost like half their value during the financial crisis. I feel for private sector employees who got hoodwinked into accepting pissing away their retirement at the dog track instead of banding together to keep their pensions. Then again the financial sector finagled its way into robbing pensions too. All this anger at public employees should be directed at employers and the financial world who conspired to screw over a distressingly large chunk of people retiring in the near future. It's really worrying what's going to happen when a lot of baby boomers find out their retirement investments aren't going to carry them through.







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OK, I took your word for it & checked. The 1934 strike was all up & down the east coast. North Carolina History Project : Textile strike of 1934 However, the locals here (in the vicinity of Gastonia) all cite the Loray Mill strike.
Yeah, the Loray Mill strike was a precursor to the general strike, where a lot of the tactics employed later on were first tested. One of the largest Labor Day marches in '34 took place in Gastonia.
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Old 02-23-2011, 05:11 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Haha, too true. Never mind that state and local employees 401ks in NC lost like half their value during the financial crisis. I feel for private sector employees who got hoodwinked into accepting pissing away their retirement at the dog track instead of banding together to keep their pensions. Then again the financial sector finagled its way into robbing pensions too. All this anger at public employees should be directed at employers and the financial world who conspired to screw over a distressingly large chunk of people retiring in the near future. It's really worrying what's going to happen when a lot of baby boomers find out their retirement investments aren't going to carry them through.




Yeah, the Loray Mill strike was a precursor to the general strike, where a lot of the tactics employed later on were first tested. One of the largest Labor Day marches in '34 took place in Gastonia.

Interesting. . .the natives who I know all speak of the Loray Mill fiasco openly. I never heard a word about the '34 mess.

Later the Loray Mill was taken over by Firestone & now sits empty. Gastonia wants to turn it into housing, offices, & retail, & the rehabbing keeps falling through. It's like the old mill is cursed.
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Old 02-24-2011, 07:23 PM
 
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The GOP is the political arm of corporate America. The GOP is trying to bust up unions because those "little people" make "too much" and cut into corporate profits.

After the GOP busts up the unions they will begin a fire sale of all state assets to their corporate donors way below value. I just hope that the protesters can weaken Wisconsin's current clown governor.
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Old 02-24-2011, 09:46 PM
 
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jealously of public workers during lean times is nothing new. what private sector folks always forget is that when they were making money hand over fist during the boom years, the public sector workers were making the same thing they are now. the stability is what makes the career path attractive.

If government workers were subject to the same lean/productive fluctuations of the economy like private citizens then they would probably be more receptive to benefit cuts when the governments that pay their salaries are basically bankrupt.

Any government employee that has a beef with that is completely free to join the private work force. The tax payers owe you nothing.
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