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Well.................That certainly is the christian way of dealing with things,
Yes, it is. Our entire legal system is based on Judeo-Christian principals.
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"anybody different than the christians should not have any rights at all!!!" Why don't ya just burn them at the stake, that might take care of the problem. How dare them gay gals and guys want equal rights!!
They have a right to any rights any other individual citizen has. But, like the rest of us, they have no rights to perform immoral acts.
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What's that old line, apparently no longer germane to civilization "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"- supposed to be guaranteed, the constitution didn't specify only straight folks.
Which document do you want to deal with? The Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. You seem confused which is which.
He is a STATE Senator, not US. So 50% of NC most certainly do NOT agree with him...just 50% of his own gerrymandered district (near Winston-Salem). actually I believe he ran unopposed last time, so yes, his district heavily supports him. But that is a far cry from "50% of NC". Our U.S. Senators are Richard Burr and Kay Hagan.
This is true. However, I was thinking about the nearly 50% of Tarheels with this bumper sticker back in 2008:
Many of these folks are in the closet about their hatred of homosexuals. The senator just simply stated what the "NOBama" cowards are too chicken to say in public. Also, quite a few Obama supporters in NC don't agree with homosexuality (as if its some kind of choice). Some folks just don't understand that the human ability to love (and lust) transcends race, age, and gender. Dictating one's personal right to freely love or lust (with the exception of protecting children from sexual predators) is unconstitutional. And YES, 50% of NC (if not more) disagrees with me.
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I'm of the opinion that this entire thread is sickening. The topic disgusts me in different ways - the hatred for gays expressed by some disgusts me - and the hatred of Christrians expressed by others disgusts me. All of it makes me ashamed to now call NC home IF it's representative of the state of the State.
The bottom line for me is that the underlying issue works both ways. A Christian can love the individual who happens to be gay, but disapprove of his lifestyle. A gay person can respect a Christian for who he is, but disapprove of his unwillingness to condone gay activities. Each is okay.
However, I find it unsupportable to demean the opposite side through name calling and demoralizing accusations that are knowingly made to insult the others beliefs, inflame them and deny their civil right to hold to their beliefs and act on them under sectarian law. It happens too often in public discourse and neither side is innocent. I see the same actions taking place here.
Even though I wanted to stay out of this entire thread, simply because I could see how it could degenerate, I had to jump in. The gay bashing wasn't right in the form, presentation and accusations. The Christian bashing is just as "un-right," especially with the vulgar allegations that serve no purpose but to inflame and ridicule religious teachings.
There, I said what I had to say. I certainly hope others can hold a respectful discussion about the legislation, although I seriously doubt it.
, , , and btw, just because someone is unwilling to accept someone's lifestyle, be it gay becasue it conflicts with the other's religious teachings or be it Christian because it wont approve the other side's lifestyle, does not equate to "hatred." They're differences that each is allowed to hold, rule their lives and direct their legal actions in a sectarian society.
There . . . I'm done . . . . . . . . . . sorry for the rant.
What, exactly, is the point of a thread like this? To encourage people to spit at each other? The Senator has every right to try to get his constitutional amendment. It will either pass, or not. Life will go on either way.
Well...you are correct.
It's crazy logic to actually try to amend a constitution to deny someone rights, essentially legislating second class status. You think this country would know better by now, but some people are really easy to pick on, and/or score political points off of. It's not like he'll have to live with the effects of it.
Howzabout this for equality? Marriage becomes STRICTLY a religious or civil ceremony. No tax breaks, no credits, no nothing, no official anything. If you're serious about it - making the commitment, making it work, you're going to do it anyway. It's not the government's business to promote this kind of thing, or snoop around vengefully in the bedrooms of adults of any orientation (what would that perverted cokehead Sigmund Freud think?). There are a million far more serious issues - it's complete B.S. that we have divisive, smoke-screen garbage like this arise, which only serves to distract people from actual serious issues, like infrastructure, crowded schools, bad bridges, environmental problems, air quality, and creating a state that is good to start/do business in.
And on that last point, large businesses which relocate (like corporate HQ's for example) DO take into consideration how their employees - including gay and lesbian employees - will be treated in places that are prospective relocation sites. This was publicly discussed and considered when the Nations Bank/Bank of America merger went down, and there likely could be business fallout from this.
I've always been proud that NC wasn't wasting time with Mickey Mouse pseudo-issues like this. I guess it was stupid to think that it wouldn't come to an end.
Apparently, the senator doesn't know he's a "STATE Senator;" old age affects the eyesight -- apparently he thinks he's a "HATE" Senator.
It always struck me as quite strange that Christians can spew such hatred when Jesus was known for quite the opposite.
I also don't understand how people can justify their hatred by pointing at the bible.
Makes no sense to me.
I bet they eat shrimp, too.
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He is a STATE Senator, not US. So 50% of NC most certainly do NOT agree with him...just 50% of his own gerrymandered district (near Winston-Salem). actually I believe he ran unopposed last time, so yes, his district heavily supports him. But that is a far cry from "50% of NC". Our U.S. Senators are Richard Burr and Kay Hagan.
This is true. However, I was thinking about the nearly 50% of Tarheels with this bumper sticker back in 2008:
Nearly 50% of North Carolinians--some 4 million people--all had the same bumper sticker?? Wow, none of them must have lived near me!
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But, like the rest of us, they have no rights to perform immoral acts.
Immoral acts are things that harm others, such as killing, stealing, lying, etc. What two consenting adults do together is not generally considered "immoral". And frankly, there is not one single act that two men commit with each other that is not also regularly enjoyed by heterosexuals in their bedrooms, as well. Frankly, you cannot be sure what two people are doing behind closed doors, whether they are gay or straight, but I suspect that close to 95% of the population does something sexual that someone else would consider "immoral". But this thread is not even about "acts", it is about a particular law regarding a contract between two people. I know a gay couple in their 60s who are celibate ("too old to do anything", they say), so if you are so worried about "immoral acts", they are perfectly angelic, since they have less sex than a heterosexual married couple. But that doesn't mean their relationship of over 30 years is not every bit as strong and important as a heterosexual couple in a similar stage in life.
But one more time--SAME-SEX MARRIAGE IS ALREADY ILLEGAL IN NC. THIS AMENDMENT IS REDUNDANT ON THAT FRONT. But if it goes so far as to prevent what private companies can offer in the way of insurance, that is Big Brother-ism any way you look at it.
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A Christian can love the individual who happens to be gay, but disapprove of his lifestyle. A gay person can respect a Christian for who he is, but disapprove of his unwillingness to condone gay activities.
I hope you see how this is not apples-to-apples. You say Christians can dislike a person who is gay (sexual orientation is not a "lifestyle"--there are gay truckers, gay accountants, gay clergy, gay carpenters--each of whose "lifestyle" may or may not be drastically different than other gay people and probably close to heterosexuals in the same profession/socioeconomic group. ) But then you point out that what gay people dislike about Christians is their intolerance.
So, the Christian dislike the gay person for BEING, while the gay person dislikes the Christian for PASSING JUDGMENT ON HIM.
If the "Christians" (and that's not an accurate word, since many, many Christians are tolerant and indeed welcomig of gay people; also, many homophobes are not Christian) would not hate the gays, the gays would not hate them, as you suggest. The negativity from gays to "Christians" (as you group them) is defensive, while the disdain from "Christians" toward gays is offensive. In other words, if the "Christians" didn't hate the gays, the gays would have no reason to hate the "Christians". But again, many many Christians in NC are not homophobic or are neutral on the issue. It is not part of "Christian" doctrine to be homophobic. Jesus says not one word about it in the Bible and in fact, Jesus hung around with the outcasts of society, not those in power who scorned them.
Yes, it is. Our entire legal system is based on Judeo-Christian principals.
Eh, it's based on Germanic and English Common Law with a dash of Roman Codex on the side. Don't murder and don't steal are the only biblical elements in the current USC, and 20% last I checked is a low percentage. And the state reserves both of those rights for itself anyway.
Plus, if coveting our neighbor's goods was illegal, our entire economy would collapse!
Anyway, dollars to donuts Sen. Forrester is gay himself, as most gay-bashers are. It's a shame their self-hatred causes them to act out in the way they do, but it's a sign we have lots of work left in changing attitudes toward our fellow humans.
Good for him. The fallacy of the gay rights movement is that it is a civil rights issue.
It is not.
It is a moral issue and needs to be dealt with like any other moral, i.e. criminal, issue.
People should not be able to benefit from illegal and/or immoral actions.
Chris
Using the "immoral" logic, why not propose constitutional amendments based on removing the rights and legal protections of citizens who violate any of "God's" laws? Oh, and by the way, in a pluralistic society with separation of church and state, whose exact laws based on religion should we follow? What kind of law can we shape based on not honoring ones mother and father? Most importantly, what pushinment shall we pen for putting something before God?
I say that if someone wants to "protect" marriage, then an amendment ought to be offered to this bill making divorce illegal and infidelity punished by death. Of course, we should also make single parenting illegal.
In the end, this proposal is so ridiculous that it opens up a very winnable lawsuit against it. How on earth does any lawmaker think that the state can tell a private company what to do? Want to destroy NC's economy?... just wait and see what America's leading companies think about such a law under which they would have to operate and subject their employees. RTP would be deserted in no time!
The idea that this is proposed is no surprise to me. It's exactly what I expected from a Republican controlled state legislature. The difference this year is that it will probably gain traction in our new political environment.
I'm not a Big Government nor Theocratic type of person. I'm Republican, so I don't believe government should be Dictating the Moral Values of the People. Homosexuality is a Moral Value Issue and that is no right of the government to intervene.
I also believe everyone should be treated the same. Whether Black, White, Gay, Straight, Christian, or Muslim. Laws should not vary based on if you're Black or if you're Gay.
And the United States was founded on the Prevention of Religious persecution and founded on the right of personal religious beliefs and freedoms and was founded so Government would not intervene in religious/moral affairs...
People who want to put a ban on Interracial and Gay Marriage because it goes against their (their being Theocratic Big Government People) moral Values obviously believe there should be set rules for set groups of people ie Black, Gay, Hispanic, etc.
People Who are anti Interracial Marriage and Anti Gay Marriage are Discriminating.
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dis·crim·i·na·tion
treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
I just ignore people like this man. He's just another one of the Westboropeople so take what he says with a grain of salt. He probably watches gay porn on the side like all the other priest and homophobic lawmakers. He'll get caught with his pants down soon, lol.
Former First Lady Laura Bush. Now She is a lady who is very pro gay marriage and Equal Rights regardless of Race, Religion, and Sexuality. We need more people like her.
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