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Old 11-15-2012, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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After all, everyone on this continent who isn't descended from a Native American group is an immigrant.
This very-oft-quoted adage is NOT true: if you were born somewhere, you ARE a native to that place. Even if your parents just moved there or even if they were just passing through on vacation. Otherwise every person on this earth would just be an "immigrant" from "The Garden of Eden" or central Africa where Lucy the fossil was found, or what have you.

Yes, most of us who are not of Native American stock are descended from immigrants, but that does not make us immigrants ourselves. And for that matter, the Native Americans' ancestors came from Asia, so I guess they, too, are "immigrants" by your definition?

You're a native to where YOU were born or grew up, regardless of your parents. How is that so hard to understand? The very word immigrant is based on "migrant" which is based on "migrate"--one who migrates. Not "great-great-grandchildren of one who migrated".
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Vero Beach, Fl.
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There was a very interesting forum which has recently closed regarding how Southerns view Northern transplants that I would like to reactivate because I missed out on the discussion! Since my husband and I are seriously considering relocating to North Carolina, most probably to the Calabash or Shallotte areas, I am particularly eager to read more views on this subject.

I have read many Southerners' posts that express concern about our preconceived notions about them, and I would like to address that here.

I had never really considered myself to be a “Northerner” before reading these forums on the subject. I considered myself an American first and foremost, and a New Yorker, therefore, second. I have read that many Southerners see themselves as Southern first and American second. Since I consider your history as part of my own (like it or not), I appreciate your apparent patriotism and respect and celebrate our glorious heritage as Americans.

It is this patriotism now that attracts me to the South as much as your warm climate and Paula Dean's Restaurant. It became apparent to me that no one in these particular forums had mentioned their ethnicity as being part of their identity - everyone was either a Northerner or a Southerner - and I liked that. This would NEVER happen in a conversation with only New Yorkers. Most people up here will tell you what their background is in an effort to find out what yours is. If you tell them you are American, that is not adequate – they want to know where your ancestors were from. We have an enormous immigrant population, and where your family was originally from is very important to them.

EVERYTHING up here is written in at least 2 languages – English and something else. I am born and raised and still live in the middle class New York neighborhood of Whitestone – great neighborhood, but it has over the years changed into a very ethnic area – not that there is anything wrong with that, but I miss the way it used to be. Italian flags are hanging alongside ours on poles on the front lawns. There are many Greek immigrants now along with the small but steady influx of Yugoslavians or Croatians. Our Asian and Korean neighbors will soon outnumber us all which is perhaps most evident in their overt love for churches or is it their love for not paying property taxes? Everyone who likes to socialize meets around our park’s bocce court whether as spectators or participants, and speaks to each other mostly in broken English or just signs to each other.

Very nice – really, but I am very much looking forward to being considered a “transplant” or a “Northerner” or a “damn Yankee” for that matter, AND I sincerely can’t wait to see your American and/or your Confederate flags blowing in the hot summer breeze.
All I can say is good luck in your move to NC, as one fellow "Yankee" to another. If you don't mind seeing confederate flags flying from pick-up trucks occasionally or even front yards, then go for it, I was recently called a Yankee just the other day! There are many ignorant people here still fighting the Civil War unfortunately !!!! It's sad, because its a pretty state, if you have friends/family which we have neither, hence we are hoping to move ASAP. Good luck!
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:27 AM
 
Location: on the High Seas
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All I can say is good luck in your move to NC, as one fellow "Yankee" to another. If you don't mind seeing confederate flags flying from pick-up trucks occasionally or even front yards, then go for it, I was recently called a Yankee just the other day! There are many ignorant people here still fighting the Civil War unfortunately !!!! It's sad, because its a pretty state, if you have friends/family which we have neither, hence we are hoping to move ASAP. Good luck!
Have you looked at houses in Cary ? lots of people for Northeast .
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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All I can say is good luck in your move to NC, as one fellow "Yankee" to another. If you don't mind seeing confederate flags flying from pick-up trucks occasionally or even front yards, then go for it, I was recently called a Yankee just the other day!
I truly cannot fathom why you continue to live here, as much as you clearly hate it and announce it here every chance you get, but...FYI, the term "Yankee" is NOT usually derogatory; it is simply a descriptor, a synonym of "Northerner". Most Northerners/Yankees I know use it themselves, especially in a playful manner. Usually you might hear "Our neighbors on the left are Southerners, and our neighbors on the right are Yankees". Neutral term.

Yes, it CAN be an insult, but there is a certain "tone" that is easy to discern in that case. Similar to how you can say someone is a Jew (a simple descriptor, an element of interest) or that someone is a Jew with a particular tone, meaning a "stereotypical Jew" (or fill in the blank with any other demographic)--however that is interpreted. This kind of thing is not unique to this area.

It would depend entirely on tone to know whether "Yankee" was intended as an insult when it was said to you, but probably not, since usually the insulting version is said about someone, not to them directly (you know, that passive way of talking that many of you Northerners claim is how Southerners operate and find offensive)
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:31 PM
 
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Such silly bickering.

I am a "Yankee" who moved here about 23 years ago. I looked at everything with jaundice eye. It took one woman (an employee of mine) to set me straight regarding my attitude and comparing "up north" to "down here" and in that moment I realized it was ME that was the problem, not "down here".

I will always miss the Jersey Shore but here, North Carolina is home.

North Carolina has been good to me and my children. The people have embraced me and for that, I am truly grateful.

My children, now grown and on their own, would tell you the EXACT same thing.
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Old 11-26-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Louisiana and Pennsylvania
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I have no problem with Northerners coming down South. Obviously there's something better down here than where they came from or else they wouldn't all be flocking down here. More people from different places adds to the diversity and character of NC. Only time I get annoyed is when some of them are constantly complaining "blah blah was so much better back up North".
Believe me..The day my retirement kicks in, we will be packing for points down South..Either the Carolinas, Ga or my native New Orleans or vicinity. I swore when I moved up here 20+ years ago I would never leave to return South, but each year I go home to visit or go somewhere else , It gets harder to come back up here, even after a few days.
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Old 01-30-2015, 10:41 PM
 
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I wouldnt mind all the yanks that came down if they didnt change the south that i love so much. Alot of yanks may get mad at that statement, but if you had grown up here you might fill the same way. My town, over the past 10 years has become rude, faster paced and more developed. My culture is changing. I use to could walk down town and say "hi" and they would say "hi" back or just get into a conversation with me. Now if i say "hi" to some of them they look at me strange. In my town I also dont see people I know any more and the locals are always suspicious of every one. I know that yall yanks get so many great benefits from moving down here but could you think of the little guy for once. On one of the comments I even saw that one yank had wrote that they were helping us. I couldnt believe what I had read. Your helping us????? Know your probly making our live harder. Before all the developement we were an easy going people who lived simply with out worry. The only people the transplants are helping are themself and big bussiness. Im affraid that the old north state (thats north carolina for outsiders) is going to become another Florida. I dont want our future north carolinians to remember when there state used to be southern. Just remember transplants that once you come here your changing what makes this place a good place to live. Every time a transplant moves away from there troubles they always end up bringing them her. Transplants, what are you going to do when north carolina turns into the place that you tried to move away from? I guess yall can just move again and ruin another state but what about the people that are natives. Many of the families including mine have been living in this state or the south since the 17 hundreds. Ofcourse, I've noticed some of locals have left the old north state to get away from the hussel and bussel. I dont know what i'll do. Please, dont think I deslike all yanks. Yall have a great culture up there as well, I just dont want you to bring it down here. What i dont understand is why dont yanks move into rural towns up north? Except for the culture, its probably the same.....isnt it??????



I couldn't agree with you more, I don't know why these folks have to come down here and bring their socialist nightmare with them.
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Old 01-31-2015, 04:28 AM
 
Location: Southport
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I couldn't agree with you more, I don't know why these folks have to come down here and bring their socialist nightmare with them.
As a native Southerner, I'd just like to apologize to everyone for the comments and opinions of certain posters. We're not all like that.
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Old 01-31-2015, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Savannah, GA
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I for one can't wait to leave the Vampire State-AKA NY. I live in the Hudson Valley. One of the most beautiful places in the country. But that being said, we can't survive here. Locals can't live and work here any longer. But for me, coming to NC will be a home coming of sorts. My Mother was born and raised in then Leaksville(now Eden). My Dad was Danville, VA. I am the only DamnedYankee(Mom always told me it's one word. )in my family. My whole family is native to NC/VA. I haven't been able to visit as much as I'd want to because of caring for Mom her last few years and both of us losing jobs and starting again at the bottom after all these years means not a lot of vacation time. As a tid-bit, I am Lakota Sioux-so I am as American as they come.


I promise not to bring bad northern habits down-I don't like the way things are done here and won't make the locals try and do them-it'll ruin the area. I'd rather take it a bit slower, stop and breathe and enjoy what life brings. I am in no hurry, want to put down roots and be a part of a area that people aren't self centered and rude. A sense of community. One that there's pride in where you live. To root for the local high school team on a Friday night at a football game. To go to the post office and know someone by name. To go out on my porch and hear the sounds of the night, not horns blasting, screeching tires, boom boxes with wheels. Nope-not wanting that where I go at all.

Spring of 2016-our house goes up for sale and we start job hunting down in NC. I can only hope we find something sooner than later. Then our lives can begin fresh again.
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Old 01-31-2015, 06:05 AM
 
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I agree with campingmom- when I finally am able to move south it will be because I want to embrace your lifestlye, not change it. And I love the descriptor "vampire state"- that is NY politics and government to a T. I love my neighbors and area (other than winter) but cannot wait to escape.

I just ask you southerners be patient as I assimilate. I'm in an extreme rural area but have discovered when I visit the south that I am a "rude ny-er" - fast talking, fast moving, direct, and maybe pushy. I don't mean to be- and I push because I want the best for people (push friends to apply for jobs they're nervous about, push my tas with master degrees to gain experience to move up), but pushy is pushy and I'm working on it.

I want to slow down and listen and converse. I want to respect our nations history and agree to disagree. I want to move into a neighborhood and adapt to it, not change it. And dang it I want the accent! My uncle lived in NY for 50+ years and after 7-8 years in SC he has a southern accent. I can't wait!
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