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Old 03-11-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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100% Transplants and it's Sad!
Not sure how an influx of mostly well education people working at high paying jobs is a bad thing. I am a NC born and bred with my family being here since the 1700-1800s, but the influx is good. Narrow-minded thinking like yourself is not.

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Wow, didn't know the GOP managed to get it on the ballot. While I think it won't be quite as lopsided as SC and GA, I do think it will pass.
I've said it before, Bev deciding not to run was a blessing in disguise for people against this amendment. Before, it would've been solid republicans going to the May poll, because there was no reason for a democrat to go, minus this amendment. A LOT more democratic leaning voters will go to the polls now, making it a lot harder for it to pass.

Plus the current polling throughout the state has it around 56% of the people against this amendment.

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cBach, we are telling you that NC was never "Deep Red", it has always been "Purple leaning Red", now it's "Purple leaning Blue". Many states turned from "Red" to "Blue" in 2008 by bigger margins--Indiana was far more "Red" before and had a bigger margin of "Blue" than NC. You clearly don't know the intricacies of NC politics or have not looked at the MARGINS of win. NC at the state level has always been ruled by Democrats, until the takevoer of 2010. Have you looked at geographic voting patterns in various counties and analyzed the demographics or each, or do you just see everything as a simplistic "Red->Blue means drastic shift"??

I don't think you understand much about politics in general, certainly not NC politics specifically. We've been one of the "Purplest" states for a long time that happened to swing to the dems in 2008, just like several other states such as IN, CO, and VA. Factors for this as mentioned include a HUGE GOTV effort among African-Americans and younger voters, a lot of Northern transplants (though it is a myth to say that transplants are always more liberal than NC natives--a huge Catholic population has been migrating from NJ/Long Island and actually made some areas MORE Republican than they were before). A lot of NYers et al are leaving NY because they are conservative and feel NY has left them behind. So while high-transplant areas generally do make an area more progressive, there are still a lot of Republican transplants coming here, but they tend to be "New England Republican", not "Southern Republican" in philosophy, and many might vote Republican at first but eventually become more moderate.

Your simplistic "It was Red, then it was Blue, so some kind of drastic change must have occurred" is inaccurate and simplistic. I suggest one of the many books on NC politic to better understand the Purpleness of NC for a long time. It is a "schzophrenic" state as far as being half rural/Red and half urban/Blue (in a very simplistic generalization). The difference between here and GA is that Georgia's large urban area is ALL concentrated in one place while NC has many urban areas: The Triangle, the Triad, and Charlotte are the big ones, Wilmington and Asheville (which is extremely Blue) are smaller ones.

NC has many good universities and RTP which attract educated people to the state--not that Georgia doesn't also attract educated people, but NC's "brain power" is spread over the state, not concentrated in just one region. But besides that, NC has a lot of Yellow Dog Democrats who are blue-collar types, as well as a relatively large black population which, again, was very aggressively courted in GOTV in 2008. Look at a county breaksdown and all of the Blue counties in the Northeast of NC are very poor and minority-majority.

Once again, NC at the statewide level has been Democratic for a very long time--the governor and both statehouses were democratic until 2010 with just a few exceptions over the years. It takes more than looking at a national map of "red/blue" to understand NC politics.
Here is a graph that shows the differences in the voting from 2004 and 2008.


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Originally Posted by The Man From Utopia View Post
This time next year NC will have:

2013
1 Republican legislature
2 Republican governor
3 Republican Prez candidate will have won NC
4 1 Republican senator
5 7 Dem / 6 Rep US Congress

Has that ever happened before?

1977
1 Democratic legislature
2 Democratic governor
3 Carter (Dem) won NC
4 1 Democrat US senator
5 9 Dem / 2 Repub US Congress

That certainly is a shift.

Do I need to explain the meaning of life to you people also?
Don't need to explain the meaning of life, but you may want to cut down on the drunk posting.
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Old 03-11-2012, 08:20 PM
 
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by The Man From Utopia View Post
This time next year NC will have:

2013
1 Republican legislature
2 Republican governor
3 Republican Prez candidate will have won NC
4 1 Republican senator
5 7 Dem / 6 Rep US Congress


Has that ever happened before?

1977
1 Democratic legislature
2 Democratic governor
3 Carter (Dem) won NC
4 1 Democrat US senator
5 9 Dem / 2 Repub US Congress

That certainly is a shift.

Do I need to explain the meaning of life to you people also?
Pro-tip: When arguing it is best not to just make stuff up from whole cloth, like say results from elections which have not happened.
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Old 03-11-2012, 10:11 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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This site has very good graph on presidential election history of NC.
North Carolina Presidential Election Voting History.

Notice graph meter at the top, as others stated North Carolina is a purple state.

Last edited by SunnyKayak; 03-12-2012 at 01:50 PM..
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Originally Posted by The Man From Utopia
This time next year NC will have:
2013
1 Republican legislature
2 Republican governor
3 Republican Prez candidate will have won NC
4 1 Republican senator
5 7 Dem / 6 Rep US Congress.
Actually the 7D/6R is the situation now. Thanks to Republican gerrymandering, it may be as lopsided as 10R/3D or at least 9R/4D.

I am not at all sure that the Republican Prez candidate will have won NC, either. The Tea Party backlash of 2010 is subsiding everywhere.
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Here is a graph that shows the differences in the voting from 2004 and 2008.




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Great graph! And maybe the OP will see that plenty of states had longer "lines" (more change) than NC did.
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:27 PM
 
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North Carolina voted for Herbert Hoover?

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Old 03-12-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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North Carolina voted for Herbert Hoover?
Uh yeh, along with 39 other states. Don't you remember? Hoover started what later was known as the Southern Strategy, aka "scare whitey".
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Old 03-12-2012, 10:46 PM
 
Location: NC
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Uh yeh, along with 39 other states. Don't you remember? Hoover started what later was known as the Southern Strategy, aka "scare whitey".
Oh yeah. Hoover was riding the anti-Catholic vote all the way to victory in parts of the south and midwest.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:50 AM
 
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Yup that, Pittsboro and Latinos.

Chatham - Election Results
I wonder what percentage of Chatham's electorate is Latin.
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Blue Ridge Mtns of NC
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I wonder what percentage of Chatham's electorate is Latin.
Hispanic Origin (all races)

Chatham County - 13.0%
Statewide -8.4%

Bureau of the Census
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