We look like Mississippi' after vote (Charlotte, Graham: schools, college, income)

[box_of_zip_disks]

Originally Posted by ClevelandMike

So you are saying that Reverend Billy Graham is a Bigot?

Graham's positions change in reaction to whatever's happening around him. He had segregated revivals until Brown v Board then he went around talking to MLK acting as if that was his belief all along. He's on tape discussing the Jewish conspiracy with Nixon. When the Religious Right became ardent Zionists, well now he's Israel's bff. If he were to live to see the eventual repeal of all the anti-gay laws he'd get on his high horse and act like it was biblical prophecy to love the gays.

He's a salesman first and foremost, and like any good huckster he knows how to adapt to a changing marketplace.

[rnc2mbfl]

Originally Posted by ClevelandMike

Because of this, the only logical thing that I can come up with to describe its true intent is based in bigotry.

So you are saying that Reverend Billy Graham is a Bigot?

"Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern, said Graham, 93, who lives near Asheville. "I believe the home and marriage is the foundation of our society and must be protected.

At 93, I never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage, The Bible is clear — God's definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. I want to urge my fellow North Carolinians to vote for the marriage amendment".[/quote]

Billy Graham didn't write the amendment language, or did he?

I just painted a picture of how a coalition of bigots and non-bigots came to their own conclusion to vote for this amendment. I cannot look into Billy Graham's heart and know what motivates him.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by ClevelandMike

Because of this, the only logical thing that I can come up with to describe its true intent is based in bigotry.

So you are saying that Reverend Billy Graham is a Bigot?

"Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern, said Graham, 93, who lives near Asheville. "I believe the home and marriage is the foundation of our society and must be protected.

At 93, I never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage, The Bible is clear — God's definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. I want to urge my fellow North Carolinians to vote for the marriage amendment".[/quote]

Billy Graham is 93 years old. When my father died 3 years ago, he was 90. I know something of that generation. They were born into a very different world. I would not pay any attention to that comment.

[joethoma]

Originally Posted by southbound_295

So you are saying that Reverend Billy Graham is a Bigot?

"Watching the moral decline of our country causes me great concern, said Graham, 93, who lives near Asheville. "I believe the home and marriage is the foundation of our society and must be protected.

At 93, I never thought we would have to debate the definition of marriage, The Bible is clear — God's definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. I want to urge my fellow North Carolinians to vote for the marriage amendment".

Billy Graham is 93 years old. When my father died 3 years ago, he was 90. I know something of that generation. They were born into a very different world. I would not pay any attention to that comment.[/quote]

I agree whole-heartedly. I love and respect my elders, but that doesn't mean I don't adamantly disagree with them on certain things.

My grandmother, who raised me and whom I love dearly, is fond of speaking of "how bad the world has gotten." I guess this somehow means the world was idyllic 70 years ago.

Oh, the joyful innocence and ignorance of childhood. Tucked away safely in America, I'm sure it easy to look back during this era and forget that Hitler and Stalin were committing some of the greatest acts of genocide during this time the world has ever seen.

Our world today surely isn't perfect, but the revisionist history that somehow it was better in the past doesn't exactly square with what actually happened

[joethoma]

Originally Posted by joethoma

Billy Graham is 93 years old. When my father died 3 years ago, he was 90. I know something of that generation. They were born into a very different world. I would not pay any attention to that comment.

I agree whole-heartedly. I love and respect my elders, but that doesn't mean I don't adamantly disagree with them on certain things.

My grandmother, who raised me and whom I love dearly, is fond of speaking of "how bad the world has gotten." I guess this somehow means the world was idyllic 70 years ago.

Oh, the joyful innocence and ignorance of childhood. Tucked away safely in America, I'm sure it easy to look back during this era and forget that Hitler and Stalin were committing some of the greatest acts of genocide during this time the world has ever seen.

And there is that minor squirmish called World War II where a whole generation of young men were killed to consider. But, minor details I suppose. Just b/c it wasn't plastered on CNN back then doesn't mean that atrocities weren't being committed on both sides all the time.

Our world today surely isn't perfect, but the revisionist history that somehow it was better in the past doesn't exactly square with what actually happened

[rnc2mbfl]

Originally Posted by joethoma

I agree whole-heartedly. I love and respect my elders, but that doesn't mean I don't adamantly disagree with them on certain things.

My grandmother, who raised me and whom I love dearly, is fond of speaking of "how bad the world has gotten." I guess this somehow means the world was idyllic 70 years ago.

Oh, the joyful innocence and ignorance of childhood. Tucked away safely in America, I'm sure it easy to look back during this era and forget that Hitler and Stalin were committing some of the greatest acts of genocide during this time the world has ever seen.

And there is that minor squirmish called World War II where a whole generation of young men were killed to consider. But, minor details I suppose. Just b/c it wasn't plastered on CNN back then doesn't mean that atrocities weren't being committed on both sides all the time.

Our world today surely isn't perfect, but the revisionist history that somehow it was better in the past doesn't exactly square with what actually happened

I have had similar discussions with my parents who are only in their early 70s. I have to remind them that life wasn't so good in the "good ole days" for African Americans or for those accused of being communinists during the McCarthism 50s. Generational change will probably always be a crisis to the older generation.

[NY Jew]

if NY would have been given the opportunity to vote we also would have "looked like Mississippi".

[Francois]

Originally Posted by NCN

Yes, the governor said the same thing too, but you are both wrong. The law we had could be overturned by one gay couple going to court and winning a law suit. The amendment is stronger than that.

Even a conservative legal scholar states that such a thing was extremely unlikely to happen in NC, due to the general conservative nature of this state's courts.

And, the amendment is not the equivalent of the old law; it is far more overreaching, banning ANY civil recognition for "domestic" unions other than man + woman marriage, including some that were already existing and are now leading to loss of real benefits. Once again, the so-called "party of smaller government" decides to increase government nosiness into people's lives (just as they did with the "women seeking abortions must get an ultrasound" law). This from a bunch who almost uniformly swore when they took over in 2010 that ALL they were going to focus on was the economy and SHRINKING government interference in individuals' lives. Well, we know what to expect from them now.

This amendment didn't save "marriage" one bit, and not more one child in NC lives in a "mommy and daddy family" than did before May 8 (despite advertising claims that somehow passing the amendment would change this?), but it did give the government more power over relationships, and in some cases, children who were receiving benefits from their mother/father's partner will now be dropped. The relationships aren't going away, but the people living therein, and their children, have lost an element of stability (gosh, I thought stability in family life was something we are were supposed to strive for? I guess I don't understand that "bigger government control" the social conservatives love so much, letting "Big Brother" tell you how to live your life--including drinking alcohol, according to NCN)

BTW, one reason Mississippi might have been the state of choice was that they passed the "quote-unquote marraige amendment" with the highest percentage of any other state, something like 89%.

[prwfromnc]

Originally Posted by Francois

Even a conservative legal scholar states that such a thing was extremely unlikely to happen in NC, due to the general conservative nature of this state's courts.

And, the amendment is not the equivalent of the old law; it is far more overreaching, banning ANY civil recognition for "domestic" unions other than man + woman marriage, including some that were already existing and are now leading to loss of real benefits. Once again, the so-called "party of smaller government" decides to increase government nosiness into people's lives (just as they did with the "women seeking abortions must get an ultrasound" law). This from a bunch who almost uniformly swore when they took over in 2010 that ALL they were going to focus on was the economy and SHRINKING government interference in individuals' lives. Well, we know what to expect from them now.

This amendment didn't save "marriage" one bit, and not more one child in NC lives in a "mommy and daddy family" than did before May 8 (despite advertising claims that somehow passing the amendment would change this?), but it did give the government more power over relationships, and in some cases, children who were receiving benefits from their mother/father's partner will now be dropped. The relationships aren't going away, but the people living therein, and their children, have lost an element of stability (gosh, I thought stability in family life was something we are were supposed to strive for? I guess I don't understand that "bigger government control" the social conservatives love so much, letting "Big Brother" tell you how to live your life--including drinking alcohol, according to NCN)

BTW, one reason Mississippi might have been the state of choice was that they passed the "quote-unquote marraige amendment" with the highest percentage of any other state, something like 89%.

All the more reason to vote out as many Republicans as possible in November! The Republicans in our GA are a joke, really, what does overturning annexation laws have to do with the economy and job creation? I know this is a totally different topic, but all of this ties in with their agenda which is really a distraction from the fact that since they've been in office, whether on a national or state level, have not introduced ONE single piece of legisalation which talked about creating more jobs to get our economy back on track! Their agenda is all about GUNS, GAYS, AND GOD and turning back the clock on civil rights and women's rights, plain and simple!

[Charlotte485]

Mississippi.

That was pretty hilarious on behalf of Purdue. Very immature for a politician. We look like Mississippi... ha.
This whole mess is just embarrassing for Mecklenburg county and the city of Charlotte. Lizard Lick and Mayberry NC voted for it. Not us.