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Old 06-15-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Blue Ridge Mtns of NC
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The death penalty doesn't seem to mean much in this state with the endless appeal process. Currently, there's a inmate from Davidson county who has been on Death Row for almost 27 years now. However, his victims are still dead.

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Old 06-15-2012, 01:46 PM
 
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The fact is that, given similar case circumstances, blacks are far more likely to be sentenced to death than whites. In other words, they do look at the evidence of the actual crime, and come to different conclusions about the sentence based solely on race.
Oh I see, you've interviewed multiple jury members over the last 40 years and they've told you this? There is more going on with sentencing than race such as the heinous nature of the crime, prior convictions, etc.

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And yes, statistical analysis certainly is evidence. Even with the changes in this recent bill, the law still recognizes that statistics are a valid means to prove racism--they just restricted the nature of the type of statistics allowed.
Statistics can be massaged to generate a pre-determined conclusion. Also, you can never prove the thoughts inside someone's mind. Unless juries have started confessing they were racist then this line of thinking is invalid.

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And before you go there, realize that the original act does not mean every sentence will be overturned in the face of statistical evidence. A hearing will determine that, and each case will be evaluated individually. Even if someone proves systemic racial bias, the facts of their case may still warrant the death penalty.
All of which wastes the court's time and effort for something that cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. This legislation was an end-run around the death penalty. A better approach would have been to abolish it.
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Old 06-15-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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Brad, seriously, you need to educate yourself a bit about this topic before shooting from the hip. It's quite clear you have no understanding of the original act, or the reasons it was enacted. I won't waste my time responding to your inane post.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:28 PM
 
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Amen, Arby. Brad seems totally ignorant of decades of social science and statistics on this important subject. Or perhaps, he really doesn't care if non-Whites are more likely to be given the death penalty for murder than Whites.
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:30 PM
 
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Brad, seriously, you need to educate yourself a bit about this topic before shooting from the hip. It's quite clear you have no understanding of the original act, or the reasons it was enacted. I won't waste my time responding to your inane post.
Actually I did educate myself about this topic and why it was enacted. See, if a black person in NC is sentenced to death it is only because of their race, not anything else. At least that is what I am told, especially by groups that supported this legislation. Those groups don't "feel" it is "fair" that there are so many blacks on death row so this legislation is what they decided to do instead of something. Instead of addressing violence in the black community or providing better legal representation to the accused they passed this idiotic law.

So now the courts will be clogged with every death row inmate's appeal for life in prison based on statistics instead of how heinous the actual crime was. That is phase one. Once their sentence is reduced to life in prison they can continue to appeal and clog the system until their entire conviction is overturned. "See your honor, we've already proven they were sentenced to death due to their race, therefore the only reason they were convicted in the first place was due to race".

And if you don't think that is the ultimate goal I have a bridge to sell you.

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Amen, Arby. Brad seems totally ignorant of decades of social science and statistics on this important subject. Or perhaps, he really doesn't care if non-Whites are more likely to be given the death penalty for murder than Whites.
I am well aware of such statistics. And you're right, I don't care. What I care about is if the evidence supports the death penalty.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:11 PM
 
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At least you admit, your apathy about racism, Netbrad. You don't have to even wear a white hood.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:10 PM
 
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At least you admit, your apathy about racism, Netbrad. You don't have to even wear a white hood.
I am not apathetic about racism, I'm just tired of people using it as an excuse for everything.
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Old 06-22-2012, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Garner, NC
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I am not apathetic about racism, I'm just tired of people using it as an excuse for everything.
Well put, brad.
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Old 06-23-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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I am not apathetic about racism, I'm just tired of people using it as an excuse for everything.

If "everything" included you not being unjustly put to death, you'd probably not be so tired of it.
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Old 06-23-2012, 07:22 PM
 
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If "everything" included you not being unjustly put to death, you'd probably not be so tired of it.
That "everything" would require him to commit a crime that was even considerably worthy of the death penalty. My guess is that he wouldn't be surprised about the punishment.
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