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Old 08-16-2012, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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I agree...the beltway dominates VA politics and it's sad imo. The residents up there aren't a true representation of the states historical character. They are transplants there for work...and that only. VA doesn't now and won't likely ever claim the beltway as part of our state anymore. It would be GREAT for us if they followed through with their sucession idea. I am sad to see NC trending (to a lesser degree obviously) in the same direction. I have tons of family in Apex, Wake Forest, Durham, and a little further west in the Piedmont Triad area (burlington) and they have all said that NC is changing so rapidly. My uncle and aunt from Apex have said that most of their neighbors now are from the NE...TONS of Obama signs in their front yards. The northeasterns are like a political cancer to the landscape of the south...they move south...run their mouths...complain about the area that doesn't want them anyway...multiply...and alter the landscape so that it operates like ny or nj. It is the beginning of the end for what we know now as the theoretical, "Red State."
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Chapelboro
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Y'know wnewberry, NC has plenty of its own Democrats, too. I'm a life-long NC resident as is my spouse. My mother-in-law is as well and she's a 73yr old Obama supporter. My dad has passed on now, but his sister is in her 80s and has long been a staunch Democrat.

NC actually has a proud tradition of progressive politics as well as conservativism. We've long been a purple state. We've had many, many progressive Democrats as governor as well as electing uber-conservative Republicans like Jesse Helms year after year. We've been pretty well divided for many years before transplants started making their way to us in any great numbers.

I think we've always been divided and while the transplants bring their own political ideologies with them the idea that they are turning the state away from being "red" is just false. In the 1996 election the margin of victory in NC for Dole vs Clinton was less than 5%. In 1992 it was less than 1%. Again in 1980 Reagan vs Carter the margin of victory was less than 3%. We're just not overwhelmingly voting any one party in many years.

Who knows what will happen this year!
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Old 08-16-2012, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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I agree that you have always been divided, just as VA has been divided for sometime now. You guys have a large following in the universities and a lot of labor democrats. People in Western NC, aside from the religious adherents, are blue voters as well primarily because appalachian poverty and union labor. Eastern and Southeastern NC is in the middle of the black belt which typically goes blue as well. VA's black belt run from hampton roads through emporia and into southside near the NC border...these areas are historically blue as well. I don't think anyone will try to argue that you guys are split a bit but if yall are purple it's a slightly red(er) shade of purple. Now a'days VA is a slightly bluer shade of purple because of the MASSIVE influx or northeasterners in NOVA. For those on the left this trend should be welcome! The upland south's political landscape is changing in your favor. I wish I could say the same thing for my party. I would be giddy as hell if people from VA, NC, SC, TN, AL, MS, AR, LA, and GA were moving north and changing the political landscape of the northeast or the left coast. I would lay a golden egg if if PA, NJ, and NY went red! I live in AZ now...so I don't think I have to worry about my state going blue in this election but if I were a democrat I would be stoked for the future, lol.....because i'm certainly NOT stoked for it.

Here are my predictions for 2012
NC: Romney (pretty decent margin)
VA: Romney (ever so barely)
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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I hope so...I vote Democrat - lesser of two evils and all.
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Old 08-16-2012, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I agree that there is not too much difference between Obama and Romney. Republicans like to scream Marxist and Socialist to whip people up into a frenzy, but most of Obama's policies and his actions as president (including Obamacare), are fairly conservative in nature. One thing I can't understand, is Romney's unnerving inability to tell the truth about anything. I'm not talking about your typical political stuff, like twisting your opponents actions to meet your message, or isolating a section of your opponents speech and misrepresenting it, because both sides are doing that. But it's the small things, the personal things about his life, things that you would have no reason to lie about, that he keeps getting called out on. He's already been called out for claiming both he and his father marched with MLK Jr, claiming that his living conditions on his french missionary work, claiming that his tax returns claimed a Massachusetts residence when he tried to run for Governor, and stuff like that. It just seems..... strange.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:27 PM
 
Location: NC
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I agree that you have always been divided, just as VA has been divided for sometime now. You guys have a large following in the universities and a lot of labor democrats. People in Western NC, aside from the religious adherents, are blue voters as well primarily because appalachian poverty and union labor. Eastern and Southeastern NC is in the middle of the black belt which typically goes blue as well. VA's black belt run from hampton roads through emporia and into southside near the NC border...these areas are historically blue as well. I don't think anyone will try to argue that you guys are split a bit but if yall are purple it's a slightly red(er) shade of purple. Now a'days VA is a slightly bluer shade of purple because of the MASSIVE influx or northeasterners in NOVA. For those on the left this trend should be welcome! The upland south's political landscape is changing in your favor. I wish I could say the same thing for my party. I would be giddy as hell if people from VA, NC, SC, TN, AL, MS, AR, LA, and GA were moving north and changing the political landscape of the northeast or the left coast. I would lay a golden egg if if PA, NJ, and NY went red! I live in AZ now...so I don't think I have to worry about my state going blue in this election but if I were a democrat I would be stoked for the future, lol.....because i'm certainly NOT stoked for it.

Here are my predictions for 2012
NC: Romney (pretty decent margin)
VA: Romney (ever so barely)
I think the margins in the big 3 counties (Wake, Mecklenburg, and Guilford) are going to decide it much more then eastern or western NC. If the GOP can keep those close they will win, if the 3 of them go to Obama by around 60% or more its lights out for Romney in NC.

As to NOVA that is just the natural growth of the mega city and the mega city turns everything in its wake blue. The same is true on the opposite end with New Hampshire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis

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Old 08-17-2012, 01:01 AM
 
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I think the margins in the big 3 counties (Wake, Mecklenburg, and Guilford) are going to decide it much more then eastern or western NC. If the GOP can keep those close they will win, if the 3 of them go to Obama by around 60% or more its lights out for Romney in NC.
It'll come down to who's got the better turnout machine, like it did in 2008. That includes the rural parts as well; those votes do add up.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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I look forward to a time when the social issues that actually divide most are set aside
and by that each can be left to each to make their peace with that

Maybe then we can get back to actual governance of the state and country
as the main reasons to vote for and support Smith vs Jones.


THE PRETENDERS - IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD (LIVE @ LA) - YouTube
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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The good thing for Romney in this election is that Obama won't have the fervor that he had in 2008. In 2008 all of these college kids were so entrenched with the idea of voting for an african american candidate that it brought out liberal voters. Liberals traditionally are loudest prior to the election but rarely show up in large numbers to the polls. Obama is establishment now and won't have a large college following which will help both NC and VA. I don't mean to get off on a tirade here but I was a ranking member of the UVA College Republicans and when I would participate in our university sanctioned debates against an Obama supported, approx 8/10 had ABSOLUTELY NO idea why they wanted Obama with exception to the fact that he was "the first african american" to have a chance at winning the presidency. His policies were a carbon copy of Hilary's, he hadn't held a job for more than 4 years, by all stretches he had no experience in the job itself. If Obama were applying for a job at the cia, the fbi, the nsa, or any other ranking government entity he wouldn't have even been granted an interview...yet he now is the ranking executive over all of them....I just don't get it.

But thats off topic and I apologize. What i'm driving at is that obama had a very large, very vocal, very active base in 2008 that he simply doesn't have this year. I'm hoping that translates into less liberal voter turnout in the only southern swing states, NC AND VA. I mean for god sakes! NC hadn't gone blue since he early 70's and VA hadn't gone blue since the mid 60's!!! I truly believe the fervor surrounding him has gone and it will pave the way for Romney/Ryan.
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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I don't mean to get off on a tirade here but ... His policies were a carbon copy of Hilary's ... I just don't get it.
That's easy: In the wake of the BushII debacle virtually ANY Dem could have won.
Well virtually any. One particular Dem would never get past the convention.

Despite all the work she had done with the elected and machine pols throughout the country in the
years prior to 2008 and the primaries and because of all that work she did none of the elected and
machine pols (like Bill Richardson) could get past Hilary. They all blew their wad early.
Obama wasn't Hilary and enough wide heads realized this early enough.

Their perspective on issues or even the relative competencies (at that time) didn't matter.

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But thats off topic and I apologize. What i'm driving at is that obama had a very large, very vocal, very active base in 2008 that he simply doesn't have this year. I'm hoping that translates into less liberal voter turnout in the only southern swing states, NC AND VA. I mean for god sakes! NC hadn't gone blue since he early 70's and VA hadn't gone blue since the mid 60's!!! I truly believe the fervor surrounding him has gone and it will pave the way for Romney/Ryan.
Be careful what you wish for.

btw... That vocal youth support of 2008? Meh.

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