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View Poll Results: Which bordering state works more with NC?
South Carolina 30 61.22%
Tennessee 3 6.12%
Georgia 3 6.12%
Virginia 13 26.53%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-16-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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The OP's premise is bad since there's no one state NC has stronger ties to
I tend to disagree. A good point was made earlier about many of NC's rivers flowing into SC (i.e., Catawba River dispute), and the Carolina Panthers belongs to both Carolinas. The TWC Arena in Charlotte has a big glass image of both Carolinas and basketball paraphernalia from colleges in both states are displayed here. Charleston receives more tourists from Charlotte than from any other city, and most NC'ers head to SC beaches over VA's. USC has an MBA program in Charlotte. Carolinas Healthcare System is pretty extensive and covers both states. The Charlotte Regional Partnership covers counties outside of the Charlotte MSA in both states. Greenville and Asheville share ties as well as Myrtle Beach and Wilmington. Even just a cursory Google search of "Carolinas" pulls up organizations that ties both states together and all of them are not centered in Charlotte:

CCME :: The Carolinas Center for Medical Excellence
PGA Carolinas - Home
Home - Carolinas Golf Association - Carolinas Golf Association
LFS Carolinas : Journeys to Healing & Wholeness
https://carolinas.tie.org/
Closer to Home. Closer to a Cure. - Cancer Centers of the Carolinas
Carolinas Credit Union Foundation
www.carolinas-pca.com
Carolinas Wireless Association
Shrine Bowl of the Carolinas |

So I say the answer is SC because NC has more ties to it than other surrounding states.
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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Dude, you obviously have no clue what you're talking about (I know, shocker on this board, right?)


Your initial assertion

"The OBX are not populous enough for a strong link with Va"

was that there's no strong link between the outer banks and VA, which is demonstrably wrong, despite your repeated insistence on arguing otherwise. Not whether that link is stronger than the one between Charlotte and SC or wherever. The OP's premise is bad since there's no one state NC has stronger ties to; it's a regional question, as several people in this thread have pointed out already.

NO, actually my initial assertion was that the OBX are not very populous, meaning there are not enough resident people in the OBX, for a strong link (as compared to the Charlotte area). Areas like South Boston, Va share a link with NC, but it's such a relatively small town (around 8000 people) that the link is weaker. Areas like NW NC, on past Boone, share a link with SW Va and NE TN, but again, small population so the link is weaker.

I know the Hampton Roads area has a pretty large population (though not as large as the Charlotte area), but the OBX population is about 3-4% of the overall Hampton Roads pop. Compare that to the Charlotte area where the SC Metrolina pop is about 15-20% of the overall population of the metro area (which is also a much bigger metro area than the Hampton Roads area). No matter how you cut it there are more people on both sides of the border in the Charlotte area and that makes the link stronger. In the Hampton Rds/Northern OBX area the balance is much more heavily weighted toward the Virginia side so that the link is less significant.

The OP's question was what state does NC share a stronger tie with and he went on to elaborate, "Could be tourism, close metro's, channel news, etc". It's obvious that the stronger tie is in the Charlotte area where there are significant metro areas on both sides of the border who share pro sports teams, TV and radio stations, tourism (although I will grant that Charlotte is not the tourist mecca that the OBX are). The OP specifically mentioned metro areas.

I am not disagreeing that all along the border of the state people cross over and share with the neighboring states, but for whatever reason the OP wants to pick a state that NC shares a stronger tie with and I think it's clear that it is SC since the larger metro areas on both sides of the state lines are near the NC/SC border. Not only is there the Charlotte area, but as others pointed out there's Greenville/Spartanburg/Asheville and Wilmington/Myrtle Beach. All those areas are more heavily populated than the OBX. If you add up the number of people in metro areas on both sides of the states SC comes out clearly ahead. I don't know how else to answer the OP's question.
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Old 08-17-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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The northern half of NC has closer ties with VA, while the southern half is closer to SC. Northwestern and northeastern NC is very closely tied with VA...cities like Greensboro, Durham, Winston-Salem, Elizabeth City, Rocky Mount, etc.
Joe, I'm going to have to disagree that Durham is significantly tied to VA. I live in the Triangle and I just don't see it to a significant degree. I'm pretty sure I know more Durhamites who venture to SC (to the beach) than I do Durhamites who go to VA with any regularity. I could see maybe Henderson (and again weakly), but not Durham.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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Joe, I'm going to have to disagree that Durham is significantly tied to VA. I live in the Triangle and I just don't see it to a significant degree. I'm pretty sure I know more Durhamites who venture to SC (to the beach) than I do Durhamites who go to VA with any regularity. I could see maybe Henderson (and again weakly), but not Durham.
I was thinking more along the lines of people from Virginia coming to Durham...I know when I lived in Greensboro and Winston-Salem I met people all the time (in bars and such) from Martinsville/Danville/Roanoke/etc, and I'm pretty sure that Durham has that type of relationship with southern Virginia as well. It's the big city to most of those areas just across the state border. Maybe I should have said from Durham north to clarify - not specifically Durham itself.

I definitely agree that people in NC frequent the SC beaches much more than the VA ones. The beaches are just better in SC (and NC for that matter).
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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As a person who has seen well over 90% of both NC, SC, Tenn, GA, and VA; I'd have to say that this thread all depends on where a poster lives within NC. That said, IF everyone could take a two-day trip to all border areas of NC, we'd all agree that the most "active" border is the I-77 corridor near Carowinds and the US 521 corridor near Ballantyne/Indian Land. There is also the I-95 border near Dillon, SC ("South of the Border" which IMO is rather racist against Latinos). However, that area is nothing more than a glorified rest area (and a rather dirty one at that). I haven't been there in years, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if that place is now closed or at least on the verge of closing. Greenville/Spartanburg is yet another area that comes to mind as their news stations do cover many parts of Western NC (including Asheville).
This I can definitely agree with...Greensboro has strong ties with southern Virginia cities like Danville, Martinsville, and Roanoke, with convenient limited-access highways running between each city and Greensboro. Winston-Salem has the same type of connections as well, and there is a good bit of traffic between the Virginia and NC cities on that end of the state. Many Virginians come to W-S and GSO to shop, drink, eat, go to concerts and sporting events, etc. so the Triad has very close ties with Virginia.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:26 PM
 
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NO, actually my initial assertion was that the OBX are not very populous, meaning there are not enough resident people in the OBX, for a strong link (as compared to the Charlotte area)
No, you initially tried to claim there was no strong connection in and of itself. You tried to shoehorn a comparison after I called you on your initial assertion. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. You're obviously not from the outer banks, and likely have never spent any appreciable time there. By all means, come visit, talk to a few "locals", and you'll see first-hand the ties it has to Southeastern VA.


Just to take this a little further; by your logic that size dictates all and the background of the local population means nothing, if all of a sudden five million Uzbek nationalists who had never set foot in VA or knew anyone there moved to Kill Devil Hills, that would mean the outer banks would now not only have a strong tie to VA, but a stronger tie than Charlotte has to SC, since obviously more people= stronger link, despite the fact none of the Uzbek nationalists had any ties to VA.
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Old 08-17-2012, 04:38 PM
 
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I've always thought that culturally nc was closer to va. I feel like i've seen a lot of comparisons on here about going to sc beaches...........i lived in southwest va and we go to sc beaches too. From Bristol VA Myrtle Beach is about 7 hours away...VA Beach is just under 8 hours away. People tend to go further south for the heat...SC is hotter than either nc or va. Plus, no offense to NC but with exception to the OBX NC beaches blow...the water is tooooo cold!

NC more closely borders VA IMO. Asheville is just like Roanoke/Blacksburg....Richmond parallels Charlotte culturally (southern roots w/ a few northeaster migrants)....and the triangle resembles nova (hardly southern at all anymore....nova not even a little). The aforementioned reasons are why so many people try to characterize nc and va as mid-atlantic these days......you NEVER hear that for SC.

SC parallels Georgia more than NC IMO.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:21 PM
 
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I've always thought that culturally nc was closer to va. I feel like i've seen a lot of comparisons on here about going to sc beaches...........i lived in southwest va and we go to sc beaches too. From Bristol VA Myrtle Beach is about 7 hours away...VA Beach is just under 8 hours away. People tend to go further south for the heat...SC is hotter than either nc or va. Plus, no offense to NC but with exception to the OBX NC beaches blow...the water is tooooo cold!

NC more closely borders VA IMO. Asheville is just like Roanoke/Blacksburg....Richmond parallels Charlotte culturally (southern roots w/ a few northeaster migrants)....and the triangle resembles nova (hardly southern at all anymore....nova not even a little). The aforementioned reasons are why so many people try to characterize nc and va as mid-atlantic these days......you NEVER hear that for SC.

SC parallels Georgia more than NC IMO.
Good analysis of NC/VA...and I guess SC is kinda like GA minus Atlanta - but it's hard to ignore Atlanta in the comparison, so I have to say that SC and GA are not very compatible.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:37 PM
 
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Yeah...Atlanta's influence is huge and it definitely does influence GA as a whole. I agree though that it does resemble GA minus ATL. I guess when I hear SC I just think of deeper south which I associate with GA, AL, MS, LA, etc. NC/VA just feel the same to me for some reason. Maybe it's just because I grew up so close...as a kid I spent just as much time in NC as I did in VA so they just always felt similar.

It's funny, I have a close friend that comes out to AZ to visit me periodically from Cullowhee, NC. He and I were at a bar last year watching the chic fil a bowl with uva and auburn...naturally we were duked out in uva gear as we both attended. There we're a few auburn fans on site and we all started drinking and talking and these guys from alabama and one guy from SC (ROCK HILL NO LESS!) thought that my friend and I, again from nc and va, were northerners!?!? Naturally my point of contention was this...first of all you are from friggin rock hill, sc! lol You are about 9 miles from Charlotte......hardly the deep south imo. Second point...how are you going to make the point that the confederate white house is in the northeast??? C'mon! I know that southerners LOVE the exclusivity that comes with being southern but for god sakes....the south has more than 3 states! lol

I guess the old theory on determining who a yankee is still in play..... Just take whatever east-west running interstate is above you and whoever lives above it is a yankee! For me it's I-64 which is just about where NOVA's tentacles start to reach...so I feel like thats fairly accurate
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:57 PM
 
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I've always thought that culturally nc was closer to va. I feel like i've seen a lot of comparisons on here about going to sc beaches...........i lived in southwest va and we go to sc beaches too. From Bristol VA Myrtle Beach is about 7 hours away...VA Beach is just under 8 hours away. People tend to go further south for the heat...SC is hotter than either nc or va. Plus, no offense to NC but with exception to the OBX NC beaches blow...the water is tooooo cold!

NC more closely borders VA IMO. Asheville is just like Roanoke/Blacksburg....Richmond parallels Charlotte culturally (southern roots w/ a few northeaster migrants)....and the triangle resembles nova (hardly southern at all anymore....nova not even a little). The aforementioned reasons are why so many people try to characterize nc and va as mid-atlantic these days......you NEVER hear that for SC.

SC parallels Georgia more than NC IMO.
As I stated in my first post in this thread, NC is more like VA, but is more tied to SC.
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