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View Poll Results: which city and why? what does the other city need to do to get your vote?
Raleigh-Durham 243 42.63%
Charlotte 327 57.37%
Voters: 570. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-27-2014, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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If uptown was growing so much faster than Downtown was,you should be able prove it very easily and quickly. Given that Charlotte is twice the size of Raleigh it should twice the development going on. Obviously not the case. You should be able to present facts that no one can question. Instead of excuses. A list of projects a page long. Funny thing is you tried that a while ago. It didn't work then. I seriously doubt it will work now. On and on and on. I'll tell you what I told the numbers chef put up or shut up. Big old Charlotte against little old Raleigh. Should only take 5 min to shut me up!


I'll be more than happy to. Just let me know what definition of downtown we're using. The Downtowns of both city or the Center City/Downtown area of each city.


http://www.city-data.com/forum/ralei...n-raleigh.html



Downtown:

1 :* of, relating to, or located in the lower part or business center of a city
http://i.word.com/idictionary/downtown

Of, in, or characteristic of the central area or main business and commercial area of a town or city:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us...glish/downtown



Downtowns generally exclude neighborhoods, particularly those that are block by block houses with yards.

Downtown area generally does include the urban neighborhoods. "in town" or inner-ring neighborhoods the border the CBD

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Old 09-27-2014, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Raleigh N.C
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I'll be more than happy to. Just let me know what definition of downtown we're using. The Downtowns of both city or the Center City/Downtown area of each city.


http://www.city-data.com/forum/ralei...n-raleigh.html
CCP definition of Uptown vs Downtown Raleigh Alliance definition of Downtown.

Projects recently completed last 12 months. Projects likely to move forward in next 12 months.

Residential and Non Residential development

Last edited by Atowwn; 09-27-2014 at 05:30 PM..
 
Old 09-27-2014, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Charlotte named best big-city bargain by 'Money' magazine

Charlotte named best big-city bargain by 'Money' magazine - Charlotte Business Journal
 
Old 09-27-2014, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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With all this talk about downtown & uptown projects, Here is the Development for Charlotte and Raleigh from 1990 to 2014. All of Charlotte's buildings are over 200 feet, not so for Raleigh. I am not getting into what each city is doing now but look at the past history.

Charlotte From 1990 to 2014 (Buildings over 200 feet only)

Bank of America Corporate Center 60 floors 871 ft 1992

Duke Energy Center 54 floors 786 feet 2010

The Vue (Apartments) 50 floors 600-feet 2010

Hearst Tower (Charlotte ) 47 floors 659 ft 2002

1Bank of America Center 32 floors 484 feet 2010

121 West Trade 32 floors 462 feet 1990

Three Wells Fargo Center 32 floors 2000

Fifth Third Center (Charlotte) 30 floor 1997

Avenue (Charlotte) Condos 36 floor 425 feet 2007

Carillon Tower 24 floors 394 feet 1991

525 North Tryon 19 floors 330 feet 1998

TradeMark (Condos) 26 floors 325 feet 2007

Catalyst (Apartments/Condos) 27 floors 2009

Skye (Charlotte) (Hotel/Condos) 21 floors 310 feet 2013

The Arlington (condos) 24 floors 310 feet 2003

NASCAR Hall of Fame Tower 20 floors 2010

Westin (Hotel) Charlotte ]25 floors 292 feet 2003

Element Uptown (Apartments) 22 floors 264 feet 2014

440 South Church 15 floors 2009


Raleigh From 1990 to 2014

PNC Plaza (Raleigh) 33 floors 538 feet 2008

Two Hannover Square 29 floors 431 feet 1991

Wells Fargo Capitol Center 30 floors 400 feet 1990

Skyhouse (Apartments 23 floors 264 feet December 2014

Hat Tower 19 floors 240 feet ]2004

Captrust Tower 17 floors 260 feet 2009

Wake County Justice Center 11 floors 257 feet 2013

Wake County Public Safety Center 17 floors 1991

Marriott City Center (Hotel) 17 floors 202 feet 2008

Quorum Center 15 floors 200 feet 2007

]State Employees Credit Union Building 12 floors 152 feet 2013

West at North 15 floors 2008

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Old 09-27-2014, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Originally Posted by Atowwn View Post
CCP definition of Uptown vs Downtown Raleigh Alliance definition of Downtown.

Projects recently completed last 12 months. Projects likely to move forward in next 12 months.

Residential and Non Residential development


Uptown is a single neighborhood that houses the CBD (Central Business District). Downtown in general refers to a cities commercial and business district. Residential areas with houses and bigger yards are generally not considered downtown.

However, Raleighs downtown alliance has branded the Downtown area as Downtown. Probably for business recruitment to inflate numbers. But who doesn't try to inflate their numbers.

Charlotte has branded their downtown area as center city.


And likewise, when comparing Charlotte's city limit population to Raleigh's, I also agree that's not a fair comparison and doesn't tell the whole story. I've never raised an issue when anyone has mentioned Charlotte vs Raleigh is not a very fair comparison due to the city limit size of Charlotte.

But again, if you want a fair comparison that reflects reality, just let me know downtown area or downtown.
Charlotte's definition of downtown is more literal of the definition. For example, the Wells Fargo building In downtown Raleigh. If you picked it up and move it 2 miles east of its current location. 1) would zoning allow it. 2. Would residents allow it. 3) would it be out of place.

Downtown Raleigh did retain more historical charm than us. We are probably the worst example I'm the world of urban renewal. Though, after years of reeling the negative effects, it has provided opportunity.

Many visitors are awed at our skyline: last night in the park, during the free symphony, people were taking more videos of the skyline than anything.

Big buildings of course don't make a city, neighborhoods like Dilworth & Meyers Patk adds to and is just as important.

I'm not trying to spin anything, "cooking" numbers, or any of that mess. Well over 50% of passengers at Charlottes airport are connecting so naturally we have Wayyyy more passengers. It wouldn't be fair to judge the cities based off its airport traffic. But... It would be fair to compare their. O&D passengers (passengers originating from Raleigh & Charlotte or whose final destination is Raleigh or Charlotte) you could even take it a step further and see which city is higher yielding (more expensive) because people will drive from Charlotte to Raleigh or vice versa (though I Doubt Raleigh is more expensive) to fly.

My point about the airport example its all about comparing things in an apples - to - apples way to get a good reflection on reality.



I'm trying to give a decent, cordial, constructive opinion. I would hope I get the same in return. If you think it is a valid apples to apples comparison between the uptown neighborhood vs. the entire downtown area of Raleigh, I'd be more than willing to listen to why you think it is a valid comparison.
 
Old 09-27-2014, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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These are the Building and parks that were not on my list of Buildings over 200 feet from 1990 -2014 I do not know what was build in Raleigh during this time. Please add your list.

BOA Stahium

Time Warner Arena

Hamiton Inn

Hilton Hotel

Epicenter

NASCAR hof

Ritz-Carlton, Charlotte

HYATT House Hotel

Hyatt Place Hotel

Residence Inn Hotel

DoubleTree Hotel Center City

Hilton Garden Inn

Imagion & Childrens Theater

CourtSide Condos

Ledge Condos

Quartersides

The Quad Condos

Renwick Condos

M Street Condos

Center City Green

UNC Charlotte uptown Building

Alof Hotel

Ratcliffe Condos

The Madison

Charlotte Convention Center

Mecklenbug Jail

Mecklenburg Court House

Chalotte-Mecklenbug Office Building

Mecklenbug

The Harvey B. Gantt Center

Mint Museium

BB&T Ball Park

Bechtler Museum Of Modern Art

Knigh Theater (Art)

Johnson & Wales U (Charlotte) School & Residence Building

Cedar Street Commons Condos

Gateway West Flats

Cedar Street Commons Condos

1st Row Warehouse Condos

Romare Bearden Park

5th and Popular Condos

701 N Church

TransAmerica Building

Gateway Lofts

City View Towers

Mecklenburg County Aquatic Center

Garrison Condos

715 North Church Condos

230 South Tryon Condos

7 Street Station and Parking Deck.

Lynx Blue Line

NC Music Factory

At&T Building

Belk Theater

Booth Playhouse

Uptown Gardens Apartments

Rebuild Earl Village (Over 100 Housing Units)

230 South Tryon Condos

Skyline Terrace Condos

The Trust Condos

Ruth Chris Steakhouse

CVS on Graham

Chapel Watch Condos

Charlotte Ballet Office & School North Tryon St.

McCall Art Center (North Tryon)


Under Construction Now


Gold Line (Street Car)

Lynx Blue Line

Skyhouse (Apartments)

The Mint (Apartments)

Woodfield (Apartments)

Embassy Suites uptown

FOUNTAINS AT STONEWALL (Apartments)

First Ward Park

Uptown Transit Center
 
Old 09-28-2014, 03:09 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Originally Posted by Atowwn View Post
If uptown was growing so much faster than Downtown was,you should be able prove it very easily and quickly. Given that Charlotte is twice the size of Raleigh it should twice the development going on. Obviously not the case. You should be able to present facts that no one can question. Instead of excuses. A list of projects a page long. Funny thing is you tried that a while ago. It didn't work then. I seriously doubt it will work now. On and on and on. I'll tell you what I told the numbers chef put up or shut up. Big old Charlotte against little old Raleigh. Should only take 5 min to shut me up!
Interesting you ignored the fact Uptown Charlotte and South End both have more construction going on than downtown Raleigh.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 04:58 AM
 
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Uptown Transit Center
As far as I know, there is no approved funding for this scaled down version of the original proposal.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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As far as I know, there is no approved funding for this scaled down version of the original proposal.
You are Thinking about Gateway Station.

This is the uptown transit station.

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Old 09-28-2014, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Interesting you ignored the fact Uptown Charlotte and South End both have more construction going on than downtown Raleigh.
I use only uptown, the list would be too long if I used center city.

Here is a video for Gateway Station.
http://www.littleonline.com/work/pro...nd-master-plan

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