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Old 02-18-2013, 12:35 PM
 
Location: The 12th State
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Update: This thread is for all discussion of fracking in North Carolina only.

I was reading article about how at least 12 square miles of land going to be used for fracking and the land owners do not have mineral rights.
Lee County records reveal who owns rights to drill for natural gas | Local/State | NewsObserver.com

The bill makes surface use agreements optional, meaning that landowners who don’t own mineral rights may have no say in how their land is used.

The bill does not allow time for adequate study of potential impacts, such has whether current state eminent domain laws would allow companies to seize private property to build pipelines to transport the gas they extract.

There are over 2,100 farms in Chatham, Lee, and Moore Counties accounting for over 220,000 acres of farmland. Approximately 59,000 acres in rural Lee County alone are expected to be targeted for drilling, with unknown additional acreage in Chatham, Moore, and Durham Counties. Over 9,400 acres in Lee County have already been leased by gas companies under predatory mineral rights leases.
Landowner Rights & Fracking: Who Will be Impacted?

Then I was reading this and it amazes me how much harm and little if any compensation land owners will get. http://www.ncleg.net/documentsites/c...%202-15-12.pdf

Not only the above but the towns nearby will not receive any compensation for damage to their roads in moving the heavy equipment.

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Old 02-18-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Does Fracking concern you?
Very much so... on every level.

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I was reading article about how at least 12 square miles of land going to be used for fracking and the land owners do not have mineral rights. ... The bill makes surface use agreements optional, meaning that landowners who don’t own mineral rights may have no say in how their land is used. ... The bill does not allow time for adequate study of potential impacts, such has whether current state eminent domain laws would allow companies to seize private property to build pipelines to transport the gas they extract.

Then I was reading this and it amazes me how much harm and little if any compensation land owners will get. ... Not only the above but the towns nearby will not receive any compensation for damage to their roads in moving the heavy equipment.
These people are largely the same folks who voted for McCrory.
Go try and tell them how the several issues relate.
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Old 02-18-2013, 03:43 PM
 
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Absolutely. I'm thankful to live in JoCo, but my mom lives near Moore County. All that beautiful land to be wiped out by greed. I'm scared for our drinking water.
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Old 02-18-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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count me as very scared also,
things are not going in the right direction for NC ,
won't be until we get more open minded/foreward thinkers
in charge of politics.
my hopes for that are "right" slim.

there was a great article in our local paper today about a local guy
being involved in the development of huge wind turbines/towers to create power.
too dumb to know how to link but article can be found at starnews.com
this is the direction we should be headed.
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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I don't have a lot of confidence that adequate caution and safeguards will be exercised around this technology. I'm afraid too much big money is behind this to allow proper vetting.
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Old 02-18-2013, 06:25 PM
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I'm a lot more worried about $4.00+ gas at the pump.
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:54 PM
 
Location: rural North Carolina
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I have well/septic on my land and have actively worked in land and wild animal conservation. My water table is around the 225 ft level, and the actual fracking activity occurs thousands of feet down. Surface activity takes a few weeks, but once the well is drilled and the rock fractured, the resulting pressure is enough so that a well-head can be installed and aside from a few inspections per year, left alone.

There's a lot of FUD out there when it comes to fracking, but the scientific consensus is that it can be done safely. Natural gas is the cleanest burning fossil fuel, and is one of the reasons the USA is on track towards meeting CO2 emissions targets while anti-fracking countries like Europe are replacing nuclear power plants with coal. And wind mills are the ugliest monstrosities I've ever seen, plus the subsonic vibrations can drive animals and the people living near them crazy. If Global Warming scares you, then fracking is your friend.

My family drinks my well water and I wouldn't risk their safety if I had evidence that fracking would pollute our water. Before you slam me I don't get my science information from the newspapers or blog sites, I read refereed publications like Nature and Science. I also tend to read publications that challenge my beliefs and do my best to keep an open mind while remaining committed to scientific rationalism.

In my county there was an attempt to create a biomass burning facility, and I fought that because it raised the level of dioxin and other pollutants in our air. It also was a politically connected boondoggle that lined the pockets of the waste disposal company and the county politicians that voted for it. But I would welcome a fracking well on my property because the threat to my water is not there, while the benefits of a cleaner air with less CO2 for future generations are.
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Old 02-18-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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Not really because the wellhead price is currently too low to make new exploration economically feasible at this point. In fact current wells have been shuttered because we've flooded the market. Besides that, there isn't that much here to get in the first place. The known deposits are estimated around at most 2 trillion cu. ft., of which about 1-2% can be extracted before it costs more money to extract than the gas is worth. Since wellhead prices aren't going to drastically rise any time soon, we're talking at most a couple hundred million dollars worth of gas, which is far too little for any serious extraction.
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:58 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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I'm a lot more worried about $4.00+ gas at the pump.
No one told you?
We'll have high gas prices regardless.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: The 12th State
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I'm a lot more worried about $4.00+ gas at the pump.
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No one told you?
We'll have high gas prices regardless.
Drilling for natural gas has no bearing on oil base gas.
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