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Old 06-13-2013, 09:15 AM
 
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No thanks. Your "progressive" ideals have failed in every state they have been tried. I'd rather not have North Carolina become another California, nor Raleigh to become another Detroit.

Progressive ideals made this a great state before the Neanderthals took over in Raleigh. Great universities, great business climate, great roads, concern for the disadvantaged, etc. All these things are seriously threatened now.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:53 AM
 
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Progressive ideals made this a great state before the Neanderthals took over in Raleigh. Great universities, great business climate, great roads, concern for the disadvantaged, etc. All these things are seriously threatened now.
And some of that was to pave way for major research companies like Burroughs Welcome which required the state to tone down the racism.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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Progressive ideals made this a great state before the Neanderthals took over in Raleigh. Great universities, great business climate, great roads, concern for the disadvantaged, etc. All these things are seriously threatened now.
They were threatened well before the "neanderthals" took over because the state did not have enough money to pay for the progressive ideal. We still have great universities, a great business climate, roads are great because of one of the highest gas taxes in the country and we are all concerned with the disadvantaged. The issue is how to pay for everything without bankrupting the state. In the 100 years of Democrat majority rule no one planned ahead for a rainy day but that is how government works no matter who is in power. Now we have to make cuts that are painful but are minor overall when you look at the total budget. If you are concerned with the funding choices made get your progressive buddies together and start writing checks to help out the programs you feel strongly about.

But keep calling those you disagree with "neanderethals" without providing solutions of your own. That helps your argument.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:32 AM
 
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Well now Team Red's only been in charge for a few months; you gotta give 'em time to dismantle everything. Rome didn't crumble in a week, y'know.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Of course that's different from when an elected representative calls the protesters "morons" "loons" "clowns" etc. since presumably you're on his team.

I see the state senators don't appear to lack professionalism.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Chapelboro
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The issue is how to pay for everything without bankrupting the state.
But many of the issues progressives are protesting against have nothing to do with the budget such as the ridiculous state religion proposal, gun control, voter suppression, taking control away from local governments (so much for less big government) such as redrawing Wake Co school board districts, taking over Asheville's water supply, and taking over Charlotte's Airport, not to mention requiring cursive handwriting (are we going to go back to quill pens and inkwells, too?) and many, many, many other issues, too.

Certainly progressive have different views on how to spend the money we do have, but that is certainly not the major or only issue.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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But many of the issues progressives are protesting against have nothing to do with the budget such as the ridiculous state religion proposal, gun control, voter suppression, taking control away from local governments (so much for less big government) such as redrawing Wake Co school board districts, taking over Asheville's water supply, and taking over Charlotte's Airport, not to mention requiring cursive handwriting (are we going to go back to quill pens and inkwells, too?) and many, many, many other issues, too.

Certainly progressive have different views on how to spend the money we do have, but that is certainly not the major or only issue.

Exactly. And "how to pay for everything without bankrupting the state" is not the issue. The issue is taxes are needed to make government work, and most pubs have been brainwashed to believe that tax is a dirty word. So they refuse to adequately fund important initiatives, and strive to transfer the tax load from the well-to-do to those who can least afford it. Despite the rhetoric coming from the right, NC taxes are not out of line so there's no need for sweeping tax reform to lower them.

Granted, government could be (and should be) a lot more efficient and effective with the money they spend, and I'm all for that. But rather than presenting innovative ideas and funding programs for improvement, all we get are cuts and more cuts to valuable programs and services that are heavily weighted towards the disenfranchised (e.g., mental health, unemployment benefits, teacher aides, medical benefits, etc.) Going backward is no way to go forward.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:46 AM
 
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But many of the issues progressives are protesting against have nothing to do with the budget such as the ridiculous state religion proposal
Please tell me the current protestors in Raleigh haven't put this on their agenda.
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Old 06-13-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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But many of the issues progressives are protesting against have nothing to do with the budget such as the ridiculous state religion proposal, gun control, voter suppression, taking control away from local governments (so much for less big government) such as redrawing Wake Co school board districts, taking over Asheville's water supply, and taking over Charlotte's Airport, not to mention requiring cursive handwriting (are we going to go back to quill pens and inkwells, too?) and many, many, many other issues, too.

Certainly progressive have different views on how to spend the money we do have, but that is certainly not the major or only issue.
Let's take these one at a time:

Ridiculous state religion proposal - misrepresented and discussed ad nauseum on this board. This was about a local county being able to start a meeting with prayer.

Gun control - You mean the repeal of a Jim Crow era law? Or the ability for the law abiding to protect their families in an Applebee's or Olive Garden?

Voter suppression - You mean ensuring that college students can only vote in one place?

Redrawing Wake Districts - Because the Democrats never redrew anything. Pot meet Kettle. There have been a lot of population changes in Wake county so redrawing happens in those circumstances.

Taking over Asheville's water supply - Managing resources for a multi-county area is a state function.

Taking over Charlotte's airport - A lot of airports are run by the states they are in, and CLT is growing beyond the ability of the city to manage it.

Requiring cursive handwriting - Why is this a bad thing? Many of us were required to learn this in school.

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Exactly. And "how to pay for everything without bankrupting the state" is not the issue. The issue is taxes are needed to make government work, and most pubs have been brainwashed to believe that tax is a dirty word. So they refuse to adequately fund important initiatives, and strive to transfer the tax load from the well-to-do to those who can least afford it. Despite the rhetoric coming from the right, NC taxes are not out of line so there's no need for sweeping tax reform to lower them.

Granted, government could be (and should be) a lot more efficient and effective with the money they spend, and I'm all for that. But rather than presenting innovative ideas and funding programs for improvement, all we get are cuts and more cuts to valuable programs and services that are heavily weighted towards the disenfranchised (e.g., mental health, unemployment benefits, teacher aides, medical benefits, etc.) Going backward is no way to go forward.
Tax is not a dirty word, the problem is the money is spent unwisely and we end up where we are now. If the money isn't there it isn't there, you can't magically make it appear to fund every program at the full level. Again, if you don't like the services that are getting cut open your checkbook.

I'm not going to agree with everything the GOP does but I see a lot of gnashing of teeth from the opposite side about nothing. But what do I know, I'm a racist that wants to punish the poor according to Dr. Barber.
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:27 PM
 
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Taking over Charlotte's airport - A lot of airports are run by the states they are in, and CLT is growing beyond the ability of the city to manage it.

Requiring cursive handwriting - Why is this a bad thing? Many of us were required to learn this in school.
Can't rep you again but since I'm from Charlotte I have to disagree with the first one. It's the law.

The handwriting bill was signed in to law yesterday. And 38 others.
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