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Old 06-08-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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It is now law, was HB (House Bill) 819, <http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2011/Bills/House/PDF/H819v6.pdf>



Section 2.c..."The Commission (The Coastal Resources Commission) shall also compare the determination of sea level based on historical calculations versus predictive models."
One scientist said it best, this is like predicting this year's hurricane intensity, and landfalls based on hurricane behavior in previous years.
What is your opinion?

(Background: a group of land developers paid for an impact report. The scientists came back and said 39" of coastline would be lost - I think, by the year 2100. Since this would impact development and sales... the scientists were asked to change their report. They refused. So, NC politicians, led by the man who doesn't believe in Global Warming, decided to redo how we PREDICT future events, by only using HISTORICAL data. Corrections to my understanding welcomed.)
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:31 PM
 
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It'll just lead to more begging for federal aid to rebuild HWY 12 and other coastal areas as they're washed out more and more, and since a significant percentage of people who own property along the coastline are from out of state, it'll be an easier sell.
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Old 06-08-2013, 09:11 PM
 
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It'll just lead to more begging for federal aid to rebuild HWY 12 and other coastal areas as they're washed out more and more, and since a significant percentage of people who own property along the coastline are from out of state, it'll be an easier sell.
How long would effective legislature take to fix the problem there? I say forget 12 and start worrying about 17 and 24.
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:03 AM
 
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How long would effective legislature take to fix the problem there? I say forget 12 and start worrying about 17 and 24.
Never, to be honest. The barrier islands are constantly shifting westward, so eventually 12 and the oceanfront properties will have to be abandoned and torn down. 17's under federal control (STRAHNET) so it doesn't matter what the state does. If we have to abandon Lejeune, then it'll be time to worry about it, but that's not really likely.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:30 AM
 
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Never, to be honest. The barrier islands are constantly shifting westward, so eventually 12 and the oceanfront properties will have to be abandoned and torn down. 17's under federal control (STRAHNET) so it doesn't matter what the state does. If we have to abandon Lejeune, then it'll be time to worry about it, but that's not really likely.
I don't know what you mean about federal control. Is that based on the signage or the STRAHNET designation? I don't think the feds have much direct control but of course for STRAHNET they are going to keep an eye on things and make sure priority and funding is there. 24 is a state highway but part of the STRAHNET system too due to strategic nature.

You really distracted me on that. Completely disrupted my idea that the 2nd Mar Div. could have a Tony's Pizza to Tony's Pizza end to end trip on 24 as a convoy but it looks like they'd have to drop down to 74 and work over to 77 to Harris Blvd and hope the roads by Northlake hold. I really thought it could be done with a Tony's located 2 miles from each end of 24 (the end that matters being Lejeune).

OK, swing back on course, what do you think the state should be doing? I think they guy they hired was probably a quack I'm just not sure it matters unless you had an entire administration backing it and if the Dems regain control I doubt that's going to be high on their list as a state priority.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:40 AM
 
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It is now law...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_DQUAuNUvw
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Old 06-09-2013, 12:46 PM
 
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FANTASTIC clip. One of my favorite movies; I think I'll rent it this weekend.
Wow, if it could have been played for Bev before she didn't turn a blind eye and let the law go into effect by doing nothing.
"this community is an insult to the world"
"marching backward, burning a man who brings enlightenment and intelligence into the human mind."
Powerful! Courage (even if it is scripted)!
Thanks!!!!
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:23 PM
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Sometimes it hurts to be a Tar Heel. But I would not trade.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:53 PM
 
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I don't know what you mean about federal control. Is that based on the signage or the STRAHNET designation? I don't think the feds have much direct control but of course for STRAHNET they are going to keep an eye on things and make sure priority and funding is there. 24 is a state highway but part of the STRAHNET system too due to strategic nature.
17's maintenance is paid for by the federal government, so it doesn't matter what the state does in that regard. It's not under any real threat from sea level rise for at least another 100 years, so worrying about it right now is a moot point either way.


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OK, swing back on course, what do you think the state should be doing? I think they guy they hired was probably a quack I'm just not sure it matters unless you had an entire administration backing it and if the Dems regain control I doubt that's going to be high on their list as a state priority.
Go back to the modern projections and decide future projects based on that. It'll probably be about 2050 or so before we need to get the ball rolling on what to do with 12, Ocracoke, Hatteras, low-lying soundside communities, etc. as far as deciding how to proceed with continued habitation.

When existing structures near their end of life (which is far sooner on the beach than inland), the question of whether to rebuild will have to be addressed by then, assuming the question hasn't already been pressed by weather events at that point. And of course what the state decides to do regarding structures like jetties, which will have a further impact on coastal erosion, is up in the air as well.

It seems like a bit of a copout to just say "it depends", but that's how it goes. A rough indicator will be the point at which it costs significantly more to keep fixing coastal infrastructure than those communities bring in. We're nowhere near that point yet.

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Old 06-10-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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17's maintenance is paid for by the federal government, so it doesn't matter what the state does in that regard.
Source? Why do you think that? Not saying you're wrong.
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