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You're welcome. Perhaps some other readers of the thread might be interested in our history, too.
Clearly, you don't like comments on your thread that disagree with its dopey premise. I have explained to you the making of RTP, and along the way why Raleigh-Durham is doing well (of course, Raleigh is the state capitol, which helps too).
I have no patience or interest in red-vs-blue political squabbles, and I believe that anyone who frames his life this way is foolish. More often than not, although not always, I vote "Blue," and voted for Obama twice (once per election ) and against McCrory. Your premise is simply wrong -- it has nothing to do with my politics.
I have no insight at all into anything going on in Atlanta or Richmond.
You're welcome. Perhaps some other readers of the thread might be interested in our history, too.
Clearly, you don't like comments on your thread that disagree with its dopey premise. I have explained to you the making of RTP, and along the way why Raleigh-Durham is doing well (of course, Raleigh is the state capitol, which helps too).
I have no patience or interest in red-vs-blue political squabbles, and I believe that anyone who frames his life this way is foolish. More often than not, although not always, I vote "Blue," and voted for Obama twice (once per election ) and against McCrory. Your premise is simply wrong -- it has nothing to do with my politics.
I have no insight at all into anything going on in Atlanta or Richmond.
Politically, I lean moderate, I don't like extremes on both the left and the right, right now, the direction this state legislature is going is not the right way to go! Throughout their six month session, they spent too much time coming up with with more restrictions on abortion clinics and imposing voter ID laws which will place more hurdles on certain groups to vote, while at the same time never addressed JOBS, JOBS, JOBS and our high unemployment, well they did somewhat when they cut off UE benefits to those who were unemployed for a long time and couldn't find work, what about those areas in this state where unemployment IS over 20% and no jobs for these people to go to? These people running the state legislature is too far to the right and need to be replaced by mods on both the left and the right! If people don't see anything wrong with that picture, then you are just showing blind loyalty to the Fox News and Rush Limbaugh element controlling the Republican party!
Thanks for the history lesson.
The cities that are doing really well in the south like Raleigh/Durham/CH, Richmond, Atlanta, Austin are all pools of blue in oceans of red. I'd be very interested in hearing your explanation of this.
It's pretty much the same dynamic. Those cities have the talent and human infrastructure that companies find attractive which is the biggest advantage, and it's just a plus that they are all in low-cost, right-to-work states.
Companies and worker bees follow the money and quality of lifestyle. Politics can have an impact, but ultimately everyone is just trying to survive and provide the best possible opportunities to our kids. If schools disintegrate, tech firms will be unlikely to attract the best talent to a region. NC is not yet there, since schools are OK and the universities produce tech graduates. But what will happen if schools at all levels continue to be underfunded? The smartest thing companies could do right now in the Triangle is invest heavily in all areas of education & demand that the politicians do the same. Educational opportunities make for good business!
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Companies and worker bees follow the money and quality of lifestyle. Politics can have an impact, but ultimately everyone is just trying to survive and provide the best possible opportunities to our kids. If schools disintegrate, tech firms will be unlikely to attract the best talent to a region. NC is not yet there, since schools are OK and the universities produce tech graduates. But what will happen if schools at all levels continue to be underfunded? The smartest thing companies could do right now in the Triangle is invest heavily in all areas of education & demand that the politicians do the same. Educational opportunities make for good business!
Really good post !!!
(Although I wouldn't expect any less from someone from one of my old stopping grounds)
It will be sometime before there's any meaningful data showing the effects of the legislative changes one way or the other, so everyone would be wise to hold off on any victory laps. Where wsg is spot on is the ability for companies to attract the best talent, and in my opinion that's where the effects will first manifest themselves.
There's nothing I would love more dearly than to get my hands on some very recent data from recruiters and headhunters. That's the story right now, everything else is coulda/woulda/shoulda.
I think the cities (like Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Charlotte) will put more money into the schools to compensate and to make sure they retain and attract professionals with kids, but that will leave kids in the NC countryside in a worse spot.
I think the cities (like Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Charlotte) will put more money into the schools to compensate and to make sure they retain and attract professionals with kids, but that will leave kids in the NC countryside in a worse spot.
You'd think, wouldn't you, but you can look this info up. Chapel Hill Carrboro City Schools do have a pretty nice funding from local sources (over $5000 per student), but Wake County is about $2000 per student which is almost right at the state average for local funding ($1900). Check it out at NC Report Card, the state's official site by clicking on the district as a whole (not individual schools) and scroll to the bottom of the page.
They would leave if they thought they could milk incentives out of another state. Or if any actions hurt business which excluding the film industry (who are already preparing to leave), they would leave. As of now, the GA hasn't really focused on business and only political/ideological politics. So I can't foresee any company relocating.
In the end: Money talks and BS walks.
Now it might get corporations to not relocate here.
Companies and worker bees follow the money and quality of lifestyle. Politics can have an impact, but ultimately everyone is just trying to survive and provide the best possible opportunities to our kids. If schools disintegrate, tech firms will be unlikely to attract the best talent to a region. NC is not yet there, since schools are OK and the universities produce tech graduates. But what will happen if schools at all levels continue to be underfunded? The smartest thing companies could do right now in the Triangle is invest heavily in all areas of education & demand that the politicians do the same. Educational opportunities make for good business!
In the end the company will do what is most profitable. They will not invest in schools or community these days, they will move to a different area or use the issue to justify outsourcing to another country. The news would have everyone try to believe that we are all under educated, lazy and not willing to do some jobs. Sorry to them but I have not seen this in mass and there are far too many highly educated people having to work on local stores that have technical degrees.
The truth is that cost of labor is a huge expense and driving force of where/how companies do business. The bigger the company, the bigger this issue becomes.
Then welcome to outsourcing or even illegal labor, the reason is cost.
Enjoy some of the responses from this 3 year old post. One of the highlights from Hamish Forbes:
"As far as educated southerners leaving Raleigh -- well, my young friend, I am a native-born southerner who has a PhD in engineering (be that education, or be it training), and I have lived here, and worked here in high-tech, including high-tech management, longer than you have been alive. What I am telling you, based on this experience, is that the premise of your thread is just silly. Nothing of any consequence is going to happen as a result of the recent changes in our legislature."
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) and against McCrory. Your premise is simply wrong -- it has nothing to do with my politics. 
not in the end
