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Hate to jump in & spoil the hateful banter, but just to clarify, I said Cherokee is a dump.. Q was, "Is Cherokee a dump?" Yes it is. The casino looks fine, but it doesn't fit in the rundown, unkept tourist trap that is Cherokee. When you see the casino sitting there, you think that's odd. It's like seeing a banker in a 3-piece suit with shiny shoes & perfectly manicured nails standing in line at a carnival.
The question is really how casinos effect the area they're in. There are more jobs, sure, but there's also more crime & a certain air of depravity & desperation...
Just my opinion. on this forum, for opinions.
The question is not how a casino affects an area in this thread. There is a regional thread on the Charlotte board.
The state-wide issue is legislators who have taken money from the Cherokees trying to prevent this.
That's fine, but You lost all your credibility when you quoted an anti-gambling blog, and told of an unproven story of granny getting mugged from 2001.
Woman killed in robbery after leaving Eastern Cherokee casino
Tuesday, October 2, 2012
"The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is investigating a fatal shooting that occurred near the tribe's casino on Sunday night. Barbara Preidet, 76, was shot and killed in the parking lot of a hotel across from the Harrah’s Cherokee Casino."
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Woman killed in robbery after leaving Eastern Cherokee casino
Tuesday, October 2, 2012
"The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians is investigating a fatal shooting that occurred near the tribe's casino on Sunday night. Barbara Preidet, 76, was shot and killed in the parking lot of a hotel across from the Harrah’s Cherokee Casino."
The casino fans keep moving the goals, but facts are facts. Areas with institutionalized gaming have problem gambling rates 3-4X the national average.
We don't have that here right now. The only legitimate reason for a casino is economic stimulus and the question should be whether creating that stimulus is worth the inevitable negative effects.
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The casino fans keep moving the goals, but facts are facts. Areas with institutionalized gaming have problem gambling rates 3-4X the national average.
We don't have that here right now. The only legitimate reason for a casino is economic stimulus and the question should be whether creating that stimulus is worth the inevitable negative effects.
I'm not moving any goal. The general thread about the casino is on the Charlotte board, where it belongs. The issue in this thread is the legislature.
Mr. Berger started it by saying that he's opposed. However, he's backed the Cherokees. Mr. Stam started the letter. He says that the Catawbas are from out of state. Some of the Catawbas live in Rutherford, Cleveland, Gaston, Mecklenburg, Cabarrus, & Union Counties. Those counties are mentioned in the 1993 treaty. The Shelby Star printed the names of signers of the letter who received money from the Cherokee, how much, the period of time, & what if any legislation they have started or backed to benefit the Cherokee.
Tim Moore is their lawyer. He has been the personal lawyer of some of the Catawbas who live in Cleveland County. This is being treated as an economic development project. The Catawbas will finance it & are asking for no public money. That includes road upgrades.
The original thread has lots of links. I posted a link to that thread & links to articles concerning the legislature. No one is suggesting that people who don't like casinos must go. The boost in employment will attract traditional retail which will bring in traditional businesses.
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The casino fans keep moving the goals, but facts are facts. Areas with institutionalized gaming have problem gambling rates 3-4X the national average.
We don't have that here right now. The only legitimate reason for a casino is economic stimulus and the question should be whether creating that stimulus is worth the inevitable negative effects.
Nobody is moving any goals. The fact is people who are knocking the project cannot come up with tangible proof to support their biased opinions (except for 1 case out of millions who visit), so they throw out generalities and scare mongerers from 12 year old blogs....the same people also cannot argue the economic benefit it brings to thousands of people. Also, politicians are phonies because they say they are against gambling but will gladly take their money....
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Nobody is moving any goals. The fact is people who are knocking the project cannot come up with tangible proof to support their biased opinions (except for 1 case out of millions who visit), so they throw out generalities and scare mongerers from 12 year old blogs....the same people also cannot argue the economic benefit it brings to thousands of people. Also, politicians are phonies because they say they are against gambling but will gladly take their money....
Jack, it's sad. These are the same arguments against casinos that I heard when the bill for casinos for AC was put up for vote, decades ago.Some things don't change.
If the feds OK this, it will happen because there are Catawbas living in Cleveland County. The Catawbas want to share with the state but if the legislators refuse to play ball, the Catawbas will not be obliged to give them a penny. That's in one of the links that I posted.
Nobody is moving any goals. The fact is people who are knocking the project cannot come up with tangible proof to support their biased opinions (except for 1 case out of millions who visit), so they throw out generalities and scare mongerers from 12 year old blogs....the same people also cannot argue the economic benefit it brings to thousands of people. Also, politicians are phonies because they say they are against gambling but will gladly take their money....
So let me get this straight. You maintain that casinos DO NOT create gambling addicts and crime?
Recent research (2011) even questions the *economic* value... Evidently casinos suck up money that would be spent elsewhere and may have negative impacts on tax revenues. Color me NOT shocked, lol.
So let me get this straight. You maintain that casinos DO NOT create gambling addicts and crime?
Recent research (2011) even questions the *economic* value... Evidently casinos suck up money that would be spent elsewhere and may have negative impacts on tax revenues. Color me NOT shocked, lol.
"the purported economic benefits from casino gambling include tax revenues, increased
employment, higher wages and payments to capital, and enhanced economic growth."
Funny how you can't even provide an unbiased study because the people who did the study can't even admit there are benefits from casinos...lol...(see the word above I highlighted which means )
said to be true or real but not definitely true or real....) nice rag biased study...lol just like your boy who provided a 12 yr old blog where millions go to that casino yearly and all we get is one unproven story about granny getting mugged...
Anyhoo, I've provided REAL LIFE comparisons like Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun. When I say real life, TRUE comparisons where you have resorts in less populated areas, however within an hr or so from major metros....Have you been there at all? Can you refute real life examples? Lets hear what you think about those casinos which would be almost exactly the situation you have if one was going to be built in Cleveland County....
Sure, there will be a few people who can't control themselves and voluntarily ruin their lives, I don't dispute that at all.....but YOU want to play big brother/Mr Govco and tell me that I can't have this entertainment because of a very small minority....that's the point that we're dealing with here and you're not willing to budge at all....
Its enjoyable ENTERTAINMENT for many, just like eating or going to the movies...do some people eat too much? and become obese? yes. But people like you want to ban this form of entertainment, or limit it because a select few can't control themselves....overeating is no different that gambling.
Like SB said, its really sad the mindset of some...
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