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Old 06-04-2014, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Union County
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Vitriol against politicians comes from both sides of the political spectrum.

Ah yes, no one else has value except for forward-thinking Democrats. Only they can lead the bucktooth rednecks of NC. Well, they've had 100 years and apparently folks got tired of it. We've also seen where Democrat "forward-thinking" leads; see Detroit, California, New York and Seattle. You also rail against Koch money but say nothing of Soros money in NC politics.

So I ask again, what tax rate are you willing to support in order for NC to meet all of its requirements and prevent shortfalls as mentioned by the OP?
Of course there is vitriol on both sides - I said as much. I don't align myself with either party. Yet, in typical fashion I'm thrown into a "left" bucket... because, you know, unless you're right of the TP we're all in one bucket supporting Dems.

I sad forward thinking politicians, not one party. You may be shocked to be informed that there are forward thinking GOP - however, these are typically the ones who get well funded TP challengers to take away their seats in sweetly gerrymandered districts. It's almost comical if it wasn't so sad.

I know plenty of well educated native NC folks - generations upon generations here... they are not "bucktoothed rednecks" by any stretch of the imagination. The issues with the cities and states you list are due to the direct opposite of "forward thinking" - you just use them because they sound good I guess.

Lastly, this is the first time you asked me what tax rate I would support... I don't even know how to begin to answer that seriously because it's not a simple black or white question. Cuts to education, cuts to healthcare, cuts to safety net entitlements like UE and SNAP, and a trend to consumption based taxing will send the state back decades. These are not forward thinking ideas that will help our society as a whole. You seem fine with this because "something has to be done" and "we're broke"... Yet I don't agree pushing this all down to the youth, sick, and down on their luck is a winning strategy. Then again, I'm more than certain they're all takers to you and getting what they deserve - see I can stereotype, too.
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Old 06-04-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: My House
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Of course there is vitriol on both sides - I said as much. I don't align myself with either party. Yet, in typical fashion I'm thrown into a "left" bucket... because, you know, unless you're right of the TP we're all in one bucket supporting Dems.

I sad forward thinking politicians, not one party. You may be shocked to be informed that there are forward thinking GOP - however, these are typically the ones who get well funded TP challengers to take away their seats in sweetly gerrymandered districts. It's almost comical if it wasn't so sad.

I know plenty of well educated native NC folks - generations upon generations here... they are not "bucktoothed rednecks" by any stretch of the imagination. The issues with the cities and states you list are due to the direct opposite of "forward thinking" - you just use them because they sound good I guess.

Lastly, this is the first time you asked me what tax rate I would support... I don't even know how to begin to answer that seriously because it's not a simple black or white question. Cuts to education, cuts to healthcare, cuts to safety net entitlements like UE and SNAP, and a trend to consumption based taxing will send the state back decades. These are not forward thinking ideas that will help our society as a whole. You seem fine with this because "something has to be done" and "we're broke"... Yet I don't agree pushing this all down to the youth, sick, and down on their luck is a winning strategy. Then again, I'm more than certain they're all takers to you and getting what they deserve - see I can stereotype, too.
Yeah. I'm not a democrat, either. I get lumped in with them because I care if people get proper schooling and medical care, though.

And when you mention these things as important, you get told to go write a personal check. Well, no... it doesn't work that way. My taxes go for things I don't always agree with, but that's how things go when you live in a republic. I'm okay with that. I'm certainly not going to tell people who need money for a cause they feel is worthwhile to society as a whole to "go write a check" as if it's a reasonable solution to that problem.
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Old 06-05-2014, 05:33 AM
 
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So, best to end it on healthcare for poor people than on excess war spending or corporate tax breaks, right?
What a bunch of partisan B.S.

Why is it that some people ALWAYS have to claim the most exaggerated extremes.


You act as if corporate tax breaks are ONLY enacted by repubs.

What about when the dems controlled the House of 40 straight years. I'd bet if you did even a little research you could find many, many cases where the dems passed those tax breaks you seem to care so much about.
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Old 06-05-2014, 10:34 AM
 
Location: My House
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What a bunch of partisan B.S.

Why is it that some people ALWAYS have to claim the most exaggerated extremes.


You act as if corporate tax breaks are ONLY enacted by repubs.

What about when the dems controlled the House of 40 straight years. I'd bet if you did even a little research you could find many, many cases where the dems passed those tax breaks you seem to care so much about.
I'm an independent. What does "partisan BS" have to do with not wanting corporate tax breaks and warmongering instead of healthcare for poor people? Why are people focused so much on what party people belong to and not on what they're doing in office?

This is our government, not NCAA basketball.

I don't really give a damn what party someone belongs to. If they suck, they suck.

Nice try, though.
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Old 06-10-2014, 07:38 AM
 
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Apparently there is an answer for how we can pay for everything:

Toward the end of Monday's sit-down, Berger handed protesters a 26-page amendment to the state budget bill his chamber passed earlier this month. He said the legislative language in the document would have addressed many, if not all of the demands put forward by the Moral Monday movement and its leader, Rev. William Barber.

"We were unable to find a sponsor," Berger said of the language.

Those changes would have cost billions and required a hike in the corporate tax rate from 6 percent to 50 percent, according to an analysis by the legislature's fiscal research staff.

Berger talks education with 'Moral Monday' protesters :: WRAL.com

So say goodbye to jobs if a 50% corporate tax rate becomes law. But we'll be sticking it to the millionaires so there's that. And mob rule.
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Old 06-10-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Jobs won't go anywhere if you raise it federally. And if they do, others will take its place.

Just because taxes go up doesn't mean supplies fall. Besides, higher taxes means more public services which equates to government spending in cities & towns and employs more people across the country. As opposed to spending it on a vacation home in Aruba. More employees means more demand which produces even more jobs.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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Jobs won't go anywhere if you raise it federally. And if they do, others will take its place.

Just because taxes go up doesn't mean supplies fall. Besides, higher taxes means more public services which equates to government spending in cities & towns and employs more people across the country. As opposed to spending it on a vacation home in Aruba. More employees means more demand which produces even more jobs.
This is a state level raise and has nothing to do with supply. Where would a company invest - a state with a corporate tax rate of 6% or one with 50%? If a company leaves a state for lower tax pastures the revenues are gone, resulting in a reduction in public services.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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Apparently there is an answer for how we can pay for everything:

Toward the end of Monday's sit-down, Berger handed protesters a 26-page amendment to the state budget bill his chamber passed earlier this month. He said the legislative language in the document would have addressed many, if not all of the demands put forward by the Moral Monday movement and its leader, Rev. William Barber.

"We were unable to find a sponsor," Berger said of the language.

Those changes would have cost billions and required a hike in the corporate tax rate from 6 percent to 50 percent, according to an analysis by the legislature's fiscal research staff.

Berger talks education with 'Moral Monday' protesters :: WRAL.com

So say goodbye to jobs if a 50% corporate tax rate becomes law. But we'll be sticking it to the millionaires so there's that. And mob rule.
According to Phil Berger who also told us that if we cut taxes we will have more revenue. The simple fact is that for the longest time under democrats we had high taxes but were still one of the most desirable places to have a business. The Republicans have done most of the digging themselves on our fiscal situation by cutting taxes on yachts and raising them on electricity. You don't have mob rule in North Carolina, not even close you have oligarchy. The Republicans are trying to turn North Carolina into Mississippi.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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This is a state level raise and has nothing to do with supply. Where would a company invest - a state with a corporate tax rate of 6% or one with 50%? If a company leaves a state for lower tax pastures the revenues are gone, resulting in a reduction in public services.
You could expand medicaid and it would not cost North Carolina a dime for the first few years as Obamacare has the federal government paying 100% of the costs for the first few years and 90% afterwords. In those first years it would bring $4 Billion dollars to the state but conservatives have an ideological objection so they reject it without any logical reason.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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Jobs won't go anywhere if you raise it federally. And if they do, others will take its place.

Just because taxes go up doesn't mean supplies fall. Besides, higher taxes means more public services which equates to government spending in cities & towns and employs more people across the country. As opposed to spending it on a vacation home in Aruba. More employees means more demand which produces even more jobs.
  • Taxation simply means that government takes from one party and gives it to another.
  • Remember 100% taxation = full Socialism, by definition.
  • BTW, every $ the government spends, is either taken from someone who earned it, or borrowed from our kids, grandkids and so forth.
So what percentage of the private economy should be turned over to politicians and government employees so they can control it?
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