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I think you'll find there are still many laws on the books that forbid certain people from getting married. I bet I would be prevented from marrying my son. Why can't I marry multiple people? All consenting adults.
Laws for other types of marriage and sexual relations vary.
Of course, same-sex marriage is legal.
You can marry your cousin in North Carolina. Having sexual relations with them is also legal.
Incest (sexual relations between siblings) results in life imprisonment in North Carolina. I don't think you can marry your siblings; I'll actually have to see a statute that says so, but I think that NC's "no incest" law would also extend to marriage. Only one country I know of allows marriage between siblings: Sweden.
Polygamy is banned nationwide, with only Utah allowing "cohabitation" rights.
And just for kicks, bestiality (sex with animals) is a felony in NC and in every neighboring state, but there's no specific law against it in Alabama, Texas, New Mexico, Vermont, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Ohio, West Virginia, Hawaii, Wyoming, and Nevada.
I think you'll find there are still many laws on the books that forbid certain people from getting married. I bet I would be prevented from marrying my son. Why can't I marry multiple people? All consenting adults.
There is a legitimate debate that could be had about polygamy... But there is no group of people who are incapable of having relationships any other way than through polyamory, so there is no oppressed minority being denied rights here. It's not like homosexuality where denying same sex marriage permanently denies a minority the same rights as someone else. We're all denied the right to polygamy. So we are still equal.
The other points are red herrings.
A child cannot consent to sex with their parents because there are power dynamics in that kind of relationship that prevent it--even if they're legally of the age of consent.
I think you'll find there are still many laws on the books that forbid certain people from getting married. I bet I would be prevented from marrying my son. Why can't I marry multiple people? All consenting adults.
I changed my mind. There are such things as "stupid questions."
I think you'll find there are still many laws on the books that forbid certain people from getting married. I bet I would be prevented from marrying my son. Why can't I marry multiple people? All consenting adults.
What does any of that have to do with homosexual couples being allowed to marry?
Heterosexual couples can marry.
Yes, there are laws. No incest. No underage marriages without parental consent.
Point being, it's not discrimination. You can still marry someone of your sexual orientation.
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I fear for your son. Since you look at him with that kind of intent. We probably should call the police then.....
Very funny. But I had an interesting conversation with a few people in their 20's. My son has two female roommates. One girl has a good job with benefits. Why can't she marry the other two? Legally she can't but why not? This should be legal. Why even go to the Courthouse? Do it online.
No. But you can marry. And since there is no such sexual orientation whereas one is only attracted to close kin, the ban on marrying close relatives does not prohibit anyone from ever marrying a consenting adult of the type to which one is naturally attracted. For this reason, it is a nonsensical (you really didn't think through the logic before you flung out that tired and ridiculous "Same-sex marriage means we have to allow incest!" insinuation) analogy.
However, you are certainly free to petition a court for the right to marry a close relative. What will happen then is that you will lay out, in court, what the ban denies to you. As I noted above, such bans are not effectively blanket bans on ever marrying the sort of consenting adult to which you find yourself naturally attracted, and so is not an effective ban on enjoying the right to marriage - and, yes, marriage is a right, as the United States Supreme Court has stated in over a dozen cases stretching all the way back to the 19th century. So you'll have a difficult argument to make. The state will then, presumably, lay out its rational basis (that's a legal phrase with a substantive meaning - if you'd learn it, you'd probably refrain from posting such nonsense as you're posting) for a close-kin marriage ban. The court will then decide.
That's how such cases are adjudicated. It's not the silly "Every marriage wish must now be equally valid!" nonsense you're peddling.
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I think you'll find there are still many laws on the books that forbid certain people from getting married. I bet I would be prevented from marrying my son. Why can't I marry multiple people? All consenting adults.
I have no issue with multiple marriages. But then, I'm not one of the hand-wringing "OMG, we must stop gays from marrying or the sky will fall!" pants-wetters. But it's still not analagous, because again, there is no orientation towards multiples so that such a ban is an effective bar to marrying in accordance with ones orientation.
For those who seek a multiple marriage as part of their religion, they may have a First Amendment path to legalizing such marriages, however. But, of course, you're not really interested in such people. You're just flailing about for an excuse to whine about same-sex marriage. And apparently you've decided that the slippery-slope fallacy is the best thing you can come up with. https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
Very funny. But I had an interesting conversation with a few people in their 20's. My son has two female roommates. One girl has a good job with benefits. Why can't she marry the other two? Legally she can't but why not? This should be legal. Why even go to the Courthouse? Do it online.
IMO, if someone has to ask this question, then they shouldn't be getting married anyway. It won't last. The point being that marriage is pretty serious business (from a legal, financial, rights) position and once entered to, isn't easy to get out of.
While it's fun to speculate, people rarely put up when the time comes.
Beyond that, I don't see how such speculation has anything to do with Amendment 1 except as a vehicle to discredit the repeal. IMO, there are better uses for one's time.
Through out history marriages have occurred for a multitude of reasons. Marriages of convenience. Whether it is to unite powerful families or secure blood lines or even gain citizenship. Many reasons. It happens every day.
I don't see why getting married to gain a spouses company benefits is any different. If I want to marry several adult men and woman to provide them some security surely that should be encouraged.
Through out history marriages have occurred for a multitude of reasons. Marriages of convenience. Whether it is to unite powerful families or secure blood lines or even gain citizenship. Many reasons. It happens every day.
I don't see why getting married to gain a spouses company benefits is any different. If I want to marry several adult men and woman to provide them some security surely that should be encouraged.
Your asking Illogical, nonsensical questions....
It's like asking "If Government punishes murderers for murdering, then what's to stop the government from punishing people who breathe"
The reason the banning of Same sex civil unions & marriages Lost miserably in court is because there is no logical reasoning to ban same sex marriage. Arguments like "well then I can marry my son who happens to be an underaged biracial hippopotamus". It's not logical nor intelligent.
Again, it's like saying "If Government can put a limit on how fast you can drive, then government could put a limit on how much we can sleep"
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